Dodgy step in the Far field approximation

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The discussion revolves around the transition from the Fresnel diffraction integral to the Fraunhofer diffraction integral, focusing on the assumptions and approximations involved in the far-field approximation. Participants explore the mathematical steps and the validity of neglecting certain terms in the integral.

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  • One participant presents the Fresnel diffraction integral and proposes a method to derive the Fraunhofer diffraction integral by neglecting certain terms.
  • Another participant suggests that the assumption of a small aperture compared to the image space (x0, y0) is relevant for the far-field approximation.
  • A different participant questions the neglect of the terms x0^2 and y0^2, indicating they cannot be disregarded.
  • One participant argues that terms independent of the integration variables can be factored out of the integral, potentially being irrelevant or accounted for elsewhere.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the neglected terms contribute to the phase but does not elaborate further.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the implications of the Fraunhofer approximation working best away from the optical axis, suggesting a contradiction in the assumptions made.

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Participants express differing views on which terms can be neglected in the transition to the Fraunhofer approximation, and there is no consensus on the implications of the assumptions made regarding the optical axis.

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Participants highlight the dependence on the size of the aperture relative to the image space and the role of terms in the phase, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of neglecting specific terms.

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The Fresnel diffraction integral is:

[itex]A(x_0 , y_0 ) = \frac{i e^{-ikz}}{λz} \int \int dx dy A( x , y ) e^{\frac{-ik}{2z} [(x - x_0)^2 + (y - y_0)^2]}[/itex]

When we want to obtain the Fraunhofer diffraction integral from here, we need to somehow convert it to:

[itex]A(x_0 , y_0 ) = \frac{i e^{-ikz}}{λz} \int \int dx dy A( x , y ) e^{\frac{+ik}{z} [x x_0 + y y_0]}[/itex]

So I thought we should do it as follows:

[itex]\frac{-ik}{2z} [(x - x_0)^2 + (y - y_0)^2] = \frac{-ik}{2z} [x^2 + x_0^2 + y^2 + y_0^2 - 2x x_0 - 2y y_0 ][/itex]

And then it seems that we should neglect: [itex]x^2 + x_0^2 + y^2 + y_0^2[/itex] since they're all much smaller than z.
Then we get the correct solution.

But I don't see why we could do that, and leave out the [itex]- 2x x_0 - 2y y_0[/itex]. After all they are of the same order... Please help!
 
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There might be an assumption that the aperture is small compared to the image space (x0,y0). Considering this is a far-field approximation, that tends to make sense.
 
Thanks,

It does, but then we couldn't neglect [itex]x_0^2 + y_0^2[/itex]
 
Those terms do not depend on the integration variables, it is possible to pull them out of the integral. They give a prefactor, which might be irrelevant, or accounted for in some other way.
 
They're just a part of a phase! Got it. Thanks :)
 
Hold on, but wouldn't that mean that Fraunhofer approximation works best away from the optical axis - where we're allowed to say: [itex]x_0 , y_0 >> x , y[/itex] ? (I don't think that's the case)
 

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