Is There a Mistake in Proving 1 = -1 with Square Roots?

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The discussion centers on the erroneous proof that 1 equals -1 through manipulation of square roots. The mistake occurs when applying the square root property √(a/b) = √a / √b without ensuring a and b are positive, which is crucial in real numbers. The conversation highlights that square roots of negative numbers are ill-defined, particularly in the context of complex numbers, where no ordering allows for distinguishing between positive and negative roots. It emphasizes that when taking square roots, one must consider both roots and apply the correct sign. The complexity of defining imaginary numbers and their operations is also noted, suggesting a more rigorous approach to understanding complex numbers.
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1/(-1) = -1

Take the square root of both sides:

√(1/(-1)) = √(-1) =>

√1 / √(-1) = √(-1)

1 / i = i | * i

1 = i^2

1 = -1

Where's the mistake?
 
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Gytax said:
1/(-1) = -1

Take the square root of both sides:

√(1/(-1)) = √(-1) =>

√1 / √(-1) = √(-1)
Mistake is above, on the left side. √(a/b) = √a / √b requires that a >= 0 and b > 0.
Gytax said:
1 / i = i | * i

1 = i^2

1 = -1

Where's the mistake?
 
You can only take the square roots of positive numbers. Square roots of negative numbers are ill-defined. (precisely to prohibit reasoning like this)
 
So why exactly in this case imaginary numbers aren't allowed and elsewhere they are?
 
Gytax said:
1/(-1) = -1

√1 / √(-1) = √(-1)

Where's the mistake?

This is not true

but the true is :

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Gytax said:
So why exactly in this case imaginary numbers aren't allowed and elsewhere they are?
Every number has two square roots. For real numbers, we can define the square root (or 1/2 power) to be the positive root. However, there is no order for the complex numbers that makes it an ordered field. In particular, that means we cannot distinguish between "positive" and "negative" roots for complex numbers. Because of that, your error was writing "take the square root" and treating it as if it were a uniquely defined number.

That is also why "defining" i to be "\sqrt{-1}" or "the number whose square is -1" are technically wrong. They do not distinguish between the two possible roots. A more valid approach is to define the complex numbers as pairs of real numbers, (a, b), and then define addition by (a, b)+ (c, d)= (a+ c, b+ d) and define multplication by (a, b)(c, d)= (ac- bd, ad+ bc). Then we can identify every real number a with the complex number (a, 0) and define i to be (0, 1). Then, (0, 1)(0, 1)= (0*0- 1*1, 0*1+ 1*0)= (-1, 0) so that i^2= -1. Of course, (-i)^2= (0, -1)^2= (-1, 0) also but now we can distinguish between i= (0, 1) and -i= (0, -1).
 
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All of that is too complicated,
anytime one takes square root of both sides of an equation,
one must include a +- symbol on one side of the equation.
Then choose the + or - so the answer makes sense.

Apply, Ockham's razor, to the various answers.

Of course we haven't ascertained where the OP is coming from. High school algebra? First week of a course on complex numbers?

Finally, unfortunately, I'm not sure mathfriend is following the OP's logic.
 
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