Does a Falling Object Ever Truly Reach Terminal Velocity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of terminal velocity in falling objects, exploring whether it is truly reached or only approached asymptotically. Participants examine the implications of air resistance, object orientation, and ideal conditions in relation to terminal velocity, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that terminal velocity is approached asymptotically and never technically reached, suggesting that the velocity graph would curve towards a horizontal line without ever flatlining.
  • Others argue that terminal velocity is indeed reached when the speed becomes constant, emphasizing that "terminal" implies a final value.
  • It is noted that terminal velocity is not a fixed target, as it depends on various changing factors, such as the orientation of the falling object.
  • Some participants mention that in an ideal scenario with no air currents and a stable object, terminal velocity would be reached and maintained, contrasting with the idea of it fluctuating.
  • There is a suggestion that a parachute, when stable, can quickly reach terminal velocity and maintain it closely thereafter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on whether terminal velocity is reached or only approached. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting it is a fixed value while others contend it is not well-defined due to its dependence on various factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in defining terminal velocity, noting that it may not be stable and can vary based on conditions such as air resistance and object orientation.

Peter Frame
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Today in physics we talked about terminal velocity. This got me thinking. As air resistance acts on a falling object, the acceleration of that object will decrease. I was wondering if terminal velocity is only approached asymptotically and never technically reached. Please explain this. Thanks.
 
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Your question is a reasonable one, but no, terminal velocity IS reached. If the speed does not become constant, you have not reached terminal velocity. That's what the term MEANS. "Terminal" means "final" and is a value, not an asymptote.
 
Tilting my hat to phinds' answer, I guess that depends on how you look at it. Terminal velocity is not a fixed target, since it's dependent on many changing factors, such as orientation of the falling object.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You are correct.
Moreso, it is not even a fixed target, since it's dependent on many changing factors, such as orientation of the falling object.
I see we disagree. I think you need to check the definition.
 
But if you graphed the velocity, it would curve to horizontal. Either midway along this curve it would suddenly flat line, or it would approach a number but never quite get there.
 
Also i meant this more as a conceptual question. In practice I am sure it would reach a number.
 
phinds said:
I see we disagree.
And thus I have edited my response to account for that. :)

phinds said:
I think you need to check the definition.
I think you're looking at it simplistically. Terminal velocity can't even be well-defined, since it's not stable.
 
Peter Frame said:
But if you graphed the velocity, it would curve to horizontal. Either midway along this curve it would suddenly flat line, or it would approach a number but never quite get there.
It would approach a value and then wander up and down around as the orientation of the falling object changed from moment to moment.
 
So your saying that in a perfect experiment with no air current, and no wobbling object, it would approach it? This is what makes a lot of scene to me.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I think you're looking at it simplistically. Terminal velocity can't even be well-defined, since it's not stable.
Yes, I keep telling you, I am VERY simple-minded ;)
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It would approach a value and then wander up and down around as the orientation of the falling object changed from moment to moment.
I agree.
 
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Peter Frame said:
So your saying that in a perfect experiment with no air current, and no wobbling object, it would approach it? This is what makes a lot of scene to me.
No, in an ideal situation, it would reach it and stay there instead of reaching it and then, as Dave says, wobbling around a bit faster and a bit slower.
 
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Peter Frame said:
So your saying that in a perfect experiment with no air current, and no wobbling object, it would approach it? This is what makes a lot of scene to me.

[EDIT Sorry, I did not see that you said an ideal experiment.]

Yes, so, to do so, you use an object that is stable under descent. Such as, say, a parachute.

A parachute, assuming its oscillation is kept down, reaches its terminal velocity quite quickly, and then its velocity will stick very close to that thereafter.
 
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Thanks
 
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DaveC426913 said:
[EDIT Sorry, I did not see that you said an ideal experiment.]

Yes, so, to do so, you use an object that is stable under descent. Such as, say, a parachute.

A parachute, assuming its oscillation is kept down, reaches its terminal velocity quite quickly, and then its velocity will stick very close to that thereafter.
Are you getting old? Your text is starting to turn grey...
 

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