Reason for motion after terminal velocity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of motion after reaching terminal velocity, specifically addressing why an object continues to fall despite experiencing no net force at that point. Participants explore the implications of terminal velocity in the context of forces acting on a falling object, including gravity and air resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that terminal velocity occurs when the weight of the object equals the air resistance, leading to no net force and no acceleration.
  • Others argue that while there is no net force at terminal velocity, the object still possesses momentum and continues to move due to inertia.
  • A participant questions whether the force of gravity increases as mass approaches terminal velocity, suggesting that this might affect terminal velocity.
  • Another participant notes that air density changes could also influence terminal velocity, although the discussion assumes constant conditions for simplicity.
  • Some participants clarify that the concept of terminal velocity does not imply the end of motion but rather a constant speed under balanced forces.
  • There are repeated inquiries about the nature of work done on the object while it is falling at terminal velocity, with references to energy conversion and the role of gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of terminal velocity and the conditions under which it occurs, but multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of motion and forces at that state. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the nuances of work done or the effects of changing conditions on terminal velocity.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include assumptions about constant air density and the simplification of forces involved, which may not hold in all scenarios. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of inertia and motion in the context of terminal velocity.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those exploring concepts related to forces, motion, and energy in the context of falling objects.

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Hi,

Let some object hang by a string. So no motion since weight was counter balanced no net force. Now string is cut. Object is falling under gravity and experiences air resistance. Terminal velocity is reached when weight is equal to the air resistance. So no net force and no net acceleration after terminal velocity. But why does the object continue to fall if there is no net force acting on it, why doesn't it just hang in mid air dead stopped ?

thanks
MD
 
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MD007 said:
Terminal velocity is reached when weight is equal to the air resistance.
"Terminal" does not mean "end of path." The object no longer accelerates when there is no net force acting on it; NOR does it decelerate.
 
In order for the ball to slow down to a stop from terminal velocity, there would have to be an acceleration, or a deceleration as the case may be. For this acceleration or deceleration to occur, there would have to be a non-zero net force on the ball. Terminal velocity is the point at which the force of air resistance is exactly equal to the force of gravity. For it to slow down or stop, the force of air resistance would have to be much greater than the force of gravity. When the ball is at terminal velocity, there may not be a net force on it, but there is certainly still net momentum.
 
Doesn't the force of gravity increase as mass approaches, terminal velocity should therefore increase slightly shouldn't it? Does the pressure gradient cancel it?
 
And air density increases, decreasing it, and the problem is asked at a level that assumes both are constant, just to introduce the concept of "balanced" forces.
 
Just clarifying, I immediately thought from the title "motion after terminal velocity" would mean change as in decrease in thicker air but then I thought about like you stated HS physics starts out with the basic truth that it accelerates quickly when the string is cut steadily decreasing acceleration until terminal velocity is achieved countering constant air resistance.
 
MD007 said:
But why does the object continue to fall if there is no net force acting on it, why doesn't it just hang in mid air dead stopped?
This isn't Road Runner physics you're dealing with here. :rolleyes:
 
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the ball continues at the top speed it has reached based on the amount of air resistance its encountered. the only way to float the ball is if the air resistance was as great as the gravity force in which case the ball would never have accelerated at all and simply floated there after the string was cut. it could be said to have attained terminal velocity without ever moving.
 
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Thanks all its been rewarding to read the responses. I got what i was looking for. Heres a follow up but its ok if your busy not that keenly pursuing this. Thanks again.

If its moving bcoz of inertia and if it falls distance x at terminal velocity then what's the work done ?
 
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MD007 said:
If its moving bcoz of inertia and if it falls distance x at terminal velocity then what's the work done ?

The work done is the force of gravity times the displacement. Since the object isn't accelerating, all of the work goes into moving the air in the path of the object.

MD007 said:
If its moving bcoz of inertia

Just a reminder, PF rules prohibit "text speak" like "bcoz". Please use correct grammar to the best of your ability.
 
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MD007 said:
Hi,

Let some object hang by a string. So no motion since weight was counter balanced no net force. Now string is cut. Object is falling under gravity and experiences air resistance. Terminal velocity is reached when weight is equal to the air resistance. So no net force and no net acceleration after terminal velocity. But why does the object continue to fall if there is no net force acting on it, why doesn't it just hang in mid air dead stopped ?

thanks
MD
Because equilibrium implies the acceleration is zero which must mean the velocity of the object experiencing zero net acceleration is either zero or some other constant unchanging number. However, zero is the state of rest, but that's not the only possibility. See? Ya know, if you were looking for a different answer and I don't exactly understand what you're asking, then I'm sorry about that. In that case, I'll be more careful next time.
 
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MD007 said:
Thanks all its been rewarding to read the responses. I got what i was looking for. Heres a follow up but its ok if your busy not that keenly pursuing this. Thanks again.

If its moving bcoz of inertia and if it falls distance x at terminal velocity then whats the work done ?

The energy converted to heat / turbulence and, initially to KE will be mgh. Basic rules always apply in this sort of situation. You just have to go along with them and believe the result.
 

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