Does Centripetal Acceleration Result in a Higher Velocity for a Released Mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a steel mass that is spun in circular motion and then released. Participants explore the implications for the mass's velocity, kinetic energy, and the concept of centripetal acceleration, including various scenarios and assumptions regarding the mass's motion and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the velocity of the mass upon release would be higher than the tangential velocity and questions the correctness of their mathematical derivation.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the mass is a particle at a radius from the axis, it will have a velocity equal to the tangential velocity when released, while also noting that kinetic energy and angular momentum are conserved.
  • A participant requests to see the calculations to identify potential misunderstandings regarding kinetic energy, suggesting that a sudden doubling of kinetic energy indicates a misunderstanding.
  • One participant elaborates on a scenario where the mass has both tangential and radial components of velocity, proposing that the resultant velocity would be a vector sum and questioning the implications for kinetic energy and centripetal acceleration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while speed may be constant in circular motion, the velocity is not constant due to the continuous change in direction, which is the essence of centripetal acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a mass released from circular motion will have a velocity equal to the tangential velocity. However, there are competing views regarding the implications of centripetal acceleration, kinetic energy, and the conditions under which these concepts apply, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the mass's motion, particularly regarding the definitions of velocity and acceleration in circular motion, as well as the conditions under which kinetic energy is considered constant.

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I wondered what would happen to a steel mass that was spun around an axis in a circular motion and then suddenly released. What would happen to the velocity of the mass? Would it be the same as the tangent velocity? What about the direction of the mass as it heads off in in a new direction. After some number crunching I found the new velocity of the mass would be:

[tex]v = \sqrt {2 V_t ^2[/tex]

Where [tex]{V_t[/tex] is the tangent velocity.

Not only that but the kinetic energy of the mass as it rotates about the axis is

[tex]{m V_t^2[/tex]
exactly twice what you would expect

The most amazing thing is that the new velocity is higher than the tangent velocity and at the moment of release of the mass, it did not accelerate to the new speed!
is the math correct?
 
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vector22 said:
I wondered what would happen to a steel mass that was spun around an axis in a circular motion and then suddenly released. What would happen to the velocity of the mass?

I don't think this is quite clear. what is the shape of the mass you are talking about? about what axis is it spun?

if its a particle in a radius r from the axis, it will move with a velocity equal to the tangential velocity when its released. if it is a bar of steel rotating about its center, it will keep rotating after is released. in either case, kinetic energy and angular momentum will be conserved. how did you get your results?
 
Show us your work, then we'll try and explain you where you went wrong, or what you are misunderstanding.

If you think the KE suddenly doubled you are certainly misunderstanding something, but we aren't mindreaders, so we can't guess what it is.
 
Im sorry I should have been more specific

I agree that a tethered mass rotating about an axis at a distance r when released will have a velocity equal to the tangent velocity and in the direction of the tangent vector. I wonderd what would happen if the mass has a velocity in the direction of the redius vector as well as the tangent vector. I think the resultant velocity would be a vector sum.

The centripetal acceleration is a hard concept to imagine because there does not seem to be any measurable acceleratio to a tethered mass since tangent velocity is constant.

What happens if the direction of the mass is limited to the radius vector only. That could be achievd by allowing the mass to rotate inside a hollow tube with the tube being in the direction of the radius vector

Say the mass is at 1r in the tube and the tube is 2r in length. A pin at 1r through the tube prevents the mass from travleing radialy. Let the mass be rotating at a steadt tengent velocity so that the kinectic energy of the mass is constant.

Then pull the pin and at the same time keep the kinetic energy os the system constant this would mean the angular velocity would tend to zero. By the time the mass exits the tube the angular velocity is zero and the kinetic energy of the mass is still the same as when the mass what positioned at 1r (before the pin was pulled) The mass travel in the direction of the radius vector. SO we see the mass has accelerated from 1r to 2r (ihope that distance is correct) and it should be the same value as the centripetal acceleration.

That implies a translation of kinetic energy from tangent vector to radius vector.

Anyway I need peer review on this...
 
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vector22 said:
The centripetal acceleration is a hard concept to imagine because there does not seem to be any measurable acceleratio to a tethered mass since tangent velocity is constant.
Something moving in a circle does not have a constant velocity. The speed might be constant, but not the velocity. It's constantly changing direction, which is what gives the centripetal acceleration.
 

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