Does decoherence prevent 100% of quantum tunneling of macro object?

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The discussion centers around the concept of quantum tunneling in macroscopic objects and the role of quantum decoherence in influencing this phenomenon. Participants explore whether decoherence renders the tunneling probability of macroscopic objects effectively zero, and if not, what the implications of a non-zero probability might be.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the quantum tunneling probability of macroscopic objects is always zero due to quantum decoherence, suggesting that countless interactions prevent tunneling in the macroscopic world.
  • Another participant counters that there exists a very small non-zero probability for macroscopic objects to tunnel, using a classical analogy involving a table and air molecules to illustrate the improbability of such an event occurring.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the non-zero probability argument and questions whether macroscopic objects can experience quantum coherence, implying a potential for tunneling.
  • A participant challenges the distinction between the ideas that something "could happen but won't" versus "can't happen," indicating a philosophical aspect to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views on whether the tunneling probability for macroscopic objects is effectively zero or merely very small, and the implications of these probabilities remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of quantum mechanics and the assumptions involved in interpreting probabilities related to quantum tunneling and decoherence. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of quantum coherence in macroscopic contexts.

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Does quantum decoherence absolutely prevent quantum tunneling of macroscopic objects?
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Isn't the quantum tunneling probability of macroscopic objects always zero due to quantum decoherence? It may be possible in the microscopic world, but I always think it is impossible in the macroscopic world due to countless interactions. Isn't this the same in a universe with infinite time? So isn't the probability of a macroscopic object tunneling by chance always zero, regardless of the duration?
 
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Kinker said:
So isn't the probability of a macroscopic object tunneling by chance always zero, regardless of the duration?
No, it is a very very small non-zero probability.

Consider a similar purely classical setup: There is a table sitting on the floor in front of me, my feet are resting on it. The air molecules above and below it are randomly bouncing around from thermal motion. There is a very very small non-zero probability that all the air molecules above and below the table will just randomly happen to all be moving upwards at the same moment, and if this happens the table will blast its way through the roof like an artillery shell, ripping my feet off and leaving me with bloody stumps at the ends of my legs. The probability of this happening is something like ##2^{(10^{24})}##, we are comfortable saying that it's not going to happen.

The probability of a chair-sized macroscopic object tunneling through a wall is much much less than that.
 
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Nugatory said:
No, it is a very very small non-zero probability.

Consider a similar purely classical setup: There is a table sitting on the floor in front of me, my feet are resting on it. The air molecules above and below it are randomly bouncing around from thermal motion. There is a very very small non-zero probability that all the air molecules above and below the table will just randomly happen to all be moving upwards at the same moment, and if this happens the table will blast its way through the roof like an artillery shell, ripping my feet off and leaving me with bloody stumps at the ends of my legs. The probability of this happening is something like ##2^{(10^{24})}##, we are comfortable saying that it's not going to happen.

The probability of a chair-sized macroscopic object tunneling through a wall is much much less than that.
Does that mean that macroscopic objects can also accidentally experience quantum coherence?
 
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@Kinker You are trying to distinguish between the propositions “It could happen but it won’t” and “It can’t happen”. I’m not sure they are distinguishable.
 

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