Does Einstein's General Theory of Relativity imply graviton?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity regarding the existence of gravitons, exploring the relationship between gravitational phenomena and quantum field theory. Participants examine whether Einstein's views on gravitation as a geometric property of spacetime conflict with the concept of gravitons as force-carrying particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant interprets Einstein's work to suggest that he would not accept the idea of a graviton, as he viewed gravitation not as a force but as a result of spacetime geometry.
  • Another participant argues that general relativity does not imply the existence of gravitons and is not consistent with theories involving gravitons, except in the classical limit.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if one assumes the existence of a graviton as a massless, spin-2 boson, it can be shown that the classical limit must align with general relativity.
  • One participant posits that Einstein might have accepted the concept of a graviton due to the wave-particle duality of gravitational waves, although they acknowledge that the graviton is a concept developed much later and remains hypothetical.
  • There is a mention that a consistent quantum field theory of gravity has yet to be established, leaving the status of the graviton as still controversial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of Einstein's views and the implications of general relativity regarding gravitons. There is no consensus on whether Einstein would accept the concept of a graviton or if it conflicts with his theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of current understanding in quantum gravity and the dependence on interpretations of Einstein's original work. The relationship between classical general relativity and quantum theories remains unresolved.

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I was reading Einstein's paper "The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity" and as i understood, he tried to establish that gravitation arises due to different kind of motions of objects. As per his opinion, in infinitesimally small space-time region special theory of relativity is still true. But laws that are true in that region, may not be true in a reference frame composed of moving/rotating objects. And these change of reference frame, along with the limitation of maximum speed of light, is what makes motion of some object appear like an effect of "gravitational force". He then proceeded to find out methods to formulate laws of nature which are true in any reference frame. So, as Einstein did not consider gravitation as a force, i guess he wouldn't have accepted the idea of graviton particle. Is my conclusion correct or did i misread his paper? Moreover, does the concept of graviton conflict with General Theory of Relativity as the way Einstein described?
 
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General relativity does not imply a graviton, and is not consistent with any theory involving gravitons except in the classical limit. The relationship is basically the same as between Maxwell's EM and QED.

However, the converse is mostly true: given an assumption of a gravition as a spin 2 massless, force carrying, boson, (plus some technical assumptions) it is possible to show that the classical limit must be general relativity (almost uniquely).
 
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sujoykroy said:
... So, as Einstein did not consider gravitation as a force, i guess he wouldn't have accepted the idea of graviton particle. Is my conclusion correct or did i misread his paper? Moreover, does the concept of graviton conflict with General Theory of Relativity as the way Einstein described?

The absolute equivalence of a uniformly accelerating frame in free space to a stationary frame in a gravitational field led to the view that gravitational forces are unique among forces in that they arise in the theory as a result of the spacetime geometry. Einstein predicted that any change in that geometry (due to redistribution of masses for example) would propagate at light speed giving rise to gravitational waves. He would be happy with the notion that any attempt to quantize these gravity waves would lead to wave-particle duality so I suspect that he would accept the idea of something like the graviton. However, the notion of a particle such as the graviton, as the force carrying entity of the gravitational field, is a concept deriving from an analogy to quantum field theory developed in the 1950s onwards, so don't expect any such thing in papers from 1916!

By the way, we still have no truly consistent quantum field theory of gravity, so you might say that the graviton is still a hypothetical particle which we imagine must exist if such a quantum theory of gravity exists: whether it does or does not, is still controversial!
 
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