Does Every Open Set Equal the Interior of Its Closure?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of open sets in topology, specifically whether an open set U is equal to the interior of its closure, denoted as Int(closure(U)).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants explore the relationship between open sets and their closures, questioning the validity of the statement U = Int(closure(U)). They discuss attempts to prove the statement and consider counterexamples, particularly focusing on the implications of U being an open set.

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The discussion has evolved with participants initially believing the statement to be true, but later recognizing it as false due to specific counterexamples. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in proving the statement, and participants are engaging in a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants reference specific examples and counterexamples, such as the union of intervals, to illustrate their points. There is a focus on the definitions of interior points and closures, as well as the implications of a set being open or not.

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Homework Statement



Is it true that if U is an open set, then U = Int(closure(U))?


The Attempt at a Solution

I feel like this may be true; I found counter-examples to the general form, Int(U)=(Int(closure(U)), but they all seem to hinge on U being not open (A subset of rationals in the reals, which is neither open nor closed).

However I can't prove this one way or another; I'd like a nudging in the right direction of the proof is this is true, and just a, "it's false" if it's false, so I can keep hunting for a CE.
 
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It's true. Where is the proof giving you a problem? You want to show if x is an element of U, then x is an element of int(closure(U)) and vice versa.
 
lol, I think it being four in the morning was giving me trouble.

So the first direction would be

x in U -> x an interior point and x in Clos(U); Int(U) = all interior points in U(closure), which includes x, so x in Int(Clos(U))

The other direction...

x in Int(clos(U))-> x an interior point of Clos(U) = Int(U) by definition which = U, since U is open.

Does that check out? The only reason I was having difficulty with this, is just intuitively, why is it not possible that closing the set/adding limit points will add points to the interior? I guess that means that if we had any interior point of U, it must have been originally contained in U if U is open. However, not if U isn't open. Why is this?
 
Ooops. Sorry. Actually, it is hard to prove because it's false for exactly the reason you pointed out. Take U to be the union of (0,1) and (1,2). My mistake.
 
Ok, excellent; then I both understand why it is false and where that BS proof I just made fails.

Thanks a ton.
 

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