Does Ice Melt at 0 Degrees Celsius?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether ice melts or remains frozen at 0 degrees Celsius, exploring the conditions under which phase changes occur, particularly focusing on the concepts of latent heat and the triple point of water. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of phase transitions in thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that ice can both melt and remain frozen at 0 degrees Celsius, suggesting a dynamic equilibrium where molecules transition between phases.
  • Others argue that under constant pressure and without energy being added or removed, ice will not melt and will remain frozen.
  • One participant mentions the Clausius-Clapeyron equation as relevant to understanding latent heat in this context.
  • There is a reference to the triple point of water being at 0.01 degrees Celsius, with some confusion about its implications at 1 atm pressure.
  • A later reply discusses the coexistence region of phases, indicating that there is no definitive temperature at which ice or water is entirely present, but rather a range of proportions.
  • Another participant notes that energy is required to melt ice, reinforcing the idea that without energy input, ice will not transition to water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the behavior of ice at 0 degrees Celsius, particularly concerning the role of energy and pressure in phase transitions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about pressure and energy conditions, as well as the definitions of phase states. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the precise conditions under which ice melts or remains frozen.

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Does ice melt or remain frozen at 0 degree celsius?
 
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He,he,he :Both!
 
Thanks to latent heat (look up Clausius-Clapeyron equation for more details)
 
Are you adding or removing energy (heat)? Are you increasing or decreasing pressure?
 
no energy is removed or added and pressure is at a constant 1 atm.
 
Tehno is right, it does do both. Molecules are constantly joining and departing from the surface at the same time. The ratio stays about the same unless the temp is added or removed.
 
H20 does not have a triple point at atmospheric pressure.
 
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lol...if that was the case we'd be dead.
 
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In general there is a coexistence region whereby two phases will be simultaneously present. This happens over an extended temperature range and if predicted by the van der Waals equation of state. I am unsure what this is for water but there is no definite point at which we have either a totally water or totally ice, just proportions of either.
 
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oops i didnt read that pressure will be constant , sorry... well ice will start melting atzero degree celsius
 
  • #13
so does it remain frozen...or does it start to melt?:confused:
 
  • #14
It takes energy to melt ice. If you don't add any, the ice won't melt.
 

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