Does Laplace's demon know about entropy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of entropy in a deterministic universe, particularly in relation to Laplace's demon, who knows the universe's microstate. It questions whether the concept of "macrostate" is relevant for such a being and explores the implications of a "half-demon" that only knows particle positions, suggesting that this limited knowledge could lead to a lower perceived entropy. The conversation also addresses the subjectivity of entropy in information theory versus its more objective application in thermodynamics, raising questions about the validity of different entropy measurements based on knowledge. Additionally, it probes the storage of information by the demon and the entropy associated with that storage. The discussion highlights the complexity and nuances of understanding entropy across different contexts.
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Hi.

I read this thread with great interest and have similar question:
In a deterministic universe, does entropy exist for Laplace's demon? Since he knows the universe to it's microstate, does the term "macrostate" even make sense to him?

And say there is a "half-demon" that only knows the position of each particle in the universe. Since this greatly reduces the number of possible microstates, he should ascribe the universe a lower entropy than we humans do. Does this mean the notion of entropy is purely subjective? If I measure the temperature of a gas in my lab and compute the entropy, I might get a smaller number than my colleague outside who doesn't now the exact temperature and therefore needs to take into account microstates of other temperatures as well. Is he wrong, or are we both right?

I know that in information theory, entropy is highly subjective and can change drastically upon learning new information. I have experienced entropy in thermodynamics to be used much more objectively, but why?
 
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