Does light travel at different speeds?

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The discussion revolves around the speed of light, particularly in different media, and the implications of recent experiments that suggest light can be slowed down or even travel faster than its conventional speed in a vacuum. Participants explore the nature of light propagation, the concept of refractive index, and the distinction between light traveling through various materials versus a vacuum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of light is constant in a vacuum, but can vary in different media, such as glass or water, where it is slower due to interactions with atoms.
  • One participant questions whether light can travel through matter or if it is absorbed and re-emitted by atoms, suggesting that this might imply light does not truly travel through matter.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of refractive index, noting that the speed of light in a medium can be expressed as c/n, where n is the refractive index.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of experiments that claim to have slowed down or accelerated light, with some arguing that these results may be misleading and pertain to phase velocity rather than actual speed.
  • There is a reference to historical experiments involving x-rays that may relate to the current discussion on light speed and propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether light truly slows down when passing through matter or if it is merely absorbed and re-emitted. There is no consensus on the implications of recent findings regarding light speed in various conditions, and multiple competing interpretations are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of matter and the mechanisms of light propagation, indicating that assumptions about these concepts may not be fully resolved within the discussion.

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Controlling the Speed of Light -- Up and Down
http://www.primidi.com/2005/08/20.html


Hi!, i read everywere that someone has "Slowed down" light, speeded it past the speed of light etc.

This is exactly what the EPFL team has demonstrated. Using their Stimulated Brillouin Scattering (SBS) method, the group was able to slow a light signal down by a factor of 3.6

On the other hand, they also did create "extreme conditions in which the light signal traveled faster than 300 million meters a second."
As they don't give any numbers for this upper limit, you have to trust them. Anyway, these results are important because they were achieved using off-the-shelf optical fibers, opening the way for future super fast all-optical routers

Correct me if i am wrong, but, isn't the speed of light a constant?
When the light is "slowed down" it actualy never slows down, it is just absorbed by the atoms and then emited, but light never slow down.

I am tied of this kind of articles, each time they are out, you have a lot of people totally confused about light and special relativity
 
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The exact speed of light depends on the type of medium it's propagating in.

eg. c=3e8 m/s in a vacuum.

Though I could be wrong here - this is just what I understand by it...
 
right but can light travel in other medium that is not a vaccum?

I mean what medium is a piece of glass?? a collection of atoms, can light travel inside an atom? can light propagate on mater?

Edit: This was discused here before: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=122920
 
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The simple answer is yes photons only ever travel at C. The mechanism of refraction is complicated, though.
 
i heard c=c/n
where n is the refractive index of the material it is propagates through

air= 1.0003
water=1.4

dont know if this is correct
 
Burnsys said:
Controlling the Speed of Light -- Up and Down
http://www.primidi.com/2005/08/20.html


Hi!, i read everywere that someone has "Slowed down" light, speeded it past the speed of light etc.





Correct me if i am wrong, but, isn't the speed of light a constant?
When the light is "slowed down" it actualy never slows down, it is just absorbed by the atoms and then emited, but light never slow down.

I am tied of this kind of articles, each time they are out, you have a lot of people totally confused about light and special relativity

Generally speaking the speed that the light propagates through matter is slower.

I think the idea that they might light travel faster is misleading. Wasn't it only the phase velocity that they were able to accelerate? The phenomenon was accomplished with x-rays some 60 years ago.
 
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Generally speaking the speed that the light propagates through matter is slower.

I think the idea that they might light travel faster is misleading. Wasn't it only the phase velocity that they were able to accelerate? The phenomenon was accomplished with x-rays some 60 years ago.

I know, but, what is matter? an electron? an atom? a proton?? does light really propagates through matter?? can light travel through a proton or an electron? or it's just absorbed and emited? in the last case it's not traveling through mater the photon just ceased to exist and later it was created again. ( i think )
 

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