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Why does light (or indeed any object) travel the shortest path between two points (whether for flat or curved space/space-time) ?
The discussion revolves around the question of why light and other objects travel the shortest path between two points in both flat and curved space or spacetime. Participants explore the implications of forces, geodesics, and the nature of spacetime in relation to this phenomenon.
Participants express a range of views on the nature of geodesics and the conditions under which light and objects travel along them. There is no consensus on the underlying mechanisms or the interpretation of these concepts, indicating that multiple competing views remain.
Participants highlight the need for specificity regarding the scenarios being discussed, particularly in distinguishing between spatial and spacetime paths. There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of geodesics, as well as the relationship between physics and the models used to describe it.
Well, it DOESN'T travel on a geodesic if there is a force acting on it, only if it is in freefall (no forces).Cobalt101 said:Why does light (or indeed any object) travel the shortest path between two points (whether for flat or curved space/space-time) ?
Cobalt101 said:Why does light (or indeed any object) travel the shortest path between two points (whether for flat or curved space/space-time) ?
Cobalt101 said:if there is no force acting on it (i.e. free fall) why does it travel on the geodesic?
PeterDonis said:Do you mean the shortest path in space or the shortest path in spacetime?
If you mean the shortest path in space, it's not always the case that light, or any object, takes that path. You need to be more specific about what scenario you are talking about.
If you mean the shortest path in spacetime, that concept as you state it has no meaning for light, since the spacetime interval along a light ray's worldline in spacetime is always zero. For ordinary objects, if they are in free fall, then the path they take through spacetime is the longest path between two events, not the shortest.
Geodesics in space-time is a human made model. It's our interpretation of the world. Why we use that interpretation? Because it works for making quantitative predictions.Cobalt101 said:why does a planet follow the geodesic around the sun ?
Cobalt101 said:I guess my question is at the basic end of things, trying to understand how the bending of space actually "works", what is the mechanism- for example, why does a planet follow the geodesic around the sun ?
Cobalt101 said:what is the mechanism- for example, why does a planet follow the geodesic around the sun ?