Does "magnetic charge" fit into vector potential?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of magnetic charge and its potential incorporation into the vector potential framework of electromagnetism. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and the nature of magnetic monopoles, touching on both classical and quantum perspectives.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Maxwell's equations can be reformulated to include magnetic charge, suggesting that the vector potential may not accommodate such a charge due to its mathematical properties.
  • Another participant describes the pole model of magnetism, which includes magnetic charges that come in pairs, and explains how magnetic surface charge densities can be derived from magnetization.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that the vector potential cannot be used to compute magnetic charges directly, labeling them as fictitious constructs despite yielding correct magnetic field results.
  • Conversely, a participant argues that a vector potential can indeed describe monopoles, provided it includes singularities, referencing Dirac's work on magnetic monopoles.
  • Some participants express difficulty in grasping the abstract nature of monopole theories and their implications, comparing them to complex concepts in general relativity.
  • There is a technical discussion regarding the singularities of the vector potential, with participants debating the interpretation of these singularities and their implications for the magnetic field.
  • One participant shares their calculations of the magnetic field components derived from the vector potential, noting discrepancies in the results for different components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the compatibility of magnetic charges with vector potentials, with no consensus reached. Some support the idea of incorporating magnetic charges, while others argue against it, leading to an unresolved debate on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of magnetic charges and the mathematical frameworks used to describe them. There are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of singularities in vector potentials and their physical significance.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, theoretical physics, or anyone curious about the implications of magnetic monopoles and their mathematical representations.

  • #31
@Gene Naden The ## H ## field from the single pole of the solenoid is spherically symmetric (except at very close range). This can be computed from the "pole" model of magnetism, as opposed to using surface currents and Biot-Savart.## \\ ## For the details of how these two methods give the same result, see https://www.overleaf.com/read/kdhnbkpypxfk It's something I wrote up several years ago to submit for publication as a journal article, but the AJP responded that much of this info is already known. ## \\ ## (Hopefully this is "permissible" under PF rules for me to provide a "link" such as this). ## \\ ## The other pole from this solenoid is so far away that its observed field is zero.
 
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Gene Naden said:
But a solenoid does not produce a spherically symmetric field, but rather a cylindrically symmetric field. The vector potential in this thread does produce a spherically symmetric field. So how can it be the limiting case of the field of a solenoid?
What you said above is true inside the solenoid. But you have to concentrate on the field outside of the solenoid, around the place where the solenoid ends. See the attached copy of a page from the Felsager's book. Fig. 9.3 shows a finite solenoid, while Fig. 9.4 shows the limit of an infinitesimally thin solenoid. If you pretend that there is no solenoid (the upper vertical line) in Fig. 9.4, the magnetic field (represented by arrows) looks like that of a magnetic monopole. If the solenoid is not ignored in Fig. 9.4, then the total flux of magnetic field through the circle is zero because the contribution from the solenoid (strong field represented by dense arrows) is canceled by all other contributions, showing that in reality there is no monopole. In my opinion, this is the most physical interpretation of the Dirac singularity.
 

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Well, @Demystifier, that diagram is most helpful. Thanks!
 
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