Does Medical Physics require Organic Chemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of Organic Chemistry for pursuing a career in Medical Physics. Participants explore the implications of taking AP Chemistry in high school and how it relates to future coursework in college, particularly in the context of medical physics education.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about taking AP Chemistry due to a lack of foundational knowledge and its potential impact on GPA and college admission.
  • Another participant suggests researching specific medical physics programs to understand their requirements regarding Organic Chemistry.
  • Some participants argue that while Organic Chemistry is not strictly required for Medical Physics, it may be beneficial for understanding related subjects like radiobiology.
  • There is a viewpoint that taking Organic Chemistry may not be worthwhile unless it directly relates to the participant's career goals in Medical Physics.
  • Several participants discuss the value of AP courses, with some cautioning against using AP credits to skip essential courses in one's major.
  • One participant questions the necessity of Organic Chemistry compared to Biochemistry, suggesting that Biochemistry might be more relevant to radiobiology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of Organic Chemistry for Medical Physics. Some believe it is not required, while others suggest it could be helpful. The discussion reflects multiple competing views on the value of AP courses and their impact on future academic performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with AP courses and their implications for college credit. There are concerns about the appropriateness of high school courses preparing students for university-level work, particularly in challenging subjects like physics and chemistry.

Who May Find This Useful

High school students considering a path in Medical Physics, educators advising students on course selection, and individuals interested in the intersection of chemistry and physics in medical applications.

Elbobo
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I'm only a high school junior, but I am debating on whether to take AP Chemistry in senior year or wait till the first/second year of college (it's required either way).

However, I have a pretty odd situation since I took pre-AP Chemistry over the summer (not my own school's) and everyone who's taken PAP Chemistry at my school says it's incredibly difficult, but it pays off in AP Chemistry. Since I don't have the same foundation as they do, I fear taking AP Chem will hurt my GPA, knocking me out of top 10, knocking me out of automatic admission into UT.

If Med Physics doesn't require Organic Chemistry, I'll just wait till college to take my General Chemistry course...
 
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You should look at programs you are interested into find you response (note: look at http://www.campep.org/" )

I have other points on AP courses however... even if you take them, in my opinion, it's often best not to use them to get credit in a field you plan on continuing in. In my day, AP coursework was viewed as something to do to get credit for non-related general education credit. I've noticed students who come in with AP credit are other over their heads in college coursework...especially if they skip courses based on AP credit. I've seen exceptions... but often I've seen students in over their heads.

That said, I find it disturbing that you're more focused on your GPA and easy, guaranteed admittance than on challenging yourself. The people I know who go the furthest challenge themselves the most (without, of course, risking sanity). If you want to be admitted to an a College Honors or Scholars Program, they look for the numbers of AP courses you've had. What can an Honor's program do for you? Link you to the best faculty via honors courses and provide research funds (research will help get you admitted into a graduate program). Then, if you want to go into medical physics, don't you think maybe you'd want to take an organic course (or two) anyways? The students who do best in graduate programs went above and beyond in their undergraduate programs. Should you be getting yourself in that mindset already?
 
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I agree with Physics Girl PhD.

I'm not sure what exactly AP is... I'm assuming it's some kind of advanced placement high school course that perhaps give you credit for a first year course at a university. (Which, if I understand it, just sounds like a bad idea - having high school teachers instruct university level physics.) But playing the marks game at the high school level can get you into trouble later on.

Anyhow, with respect to the original question, in general, no, you don't need organic chemistry for medical physics. However, it would certainly help with the radiobiology and you do have to pick up a certain amount of it at some point, so if you have the chance to take it, I would.
 
I'll be doing physics courses for the rest of my educational career if I stay on the path, so why not get out the introductory classes now?

I don't know how it is at other schools, but I am in no way earning my high GPA through "easy" classes, as I already spend the entire day from when I get home till 12~2 AM finishing studying and HW. My school is highly competitive and highly work focused, so don't think high schools are crap education.

If organic chemistry is completely worthless to me in Medical Physics, I don't see the point in taking it besides "for fun," of which I don't have the money nor time to do.

On a lighter note, would you say Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry? It seems to me that radiobiology would utilize Biochemistry a lot more...
 
Elbobo said:
I'll be doing physics courses for the rest of my educational career if I stay on the path, so why not get out the introductory classes now?

I don't know how it is at other schools, but I am in no way earning my high GPA through "easy" classes, as I already spend the entire day from when I get home till 12~2 AM finishing studying and HW. My school is highly competitive and highly work focused, so don't think high schools are crap education.

If organic chemistry is completely worthless to me in Medical Physics, I don't see the point in taking it besides "for fun," of which I don't have the money nor time to do.

On a lighter note, would you say Biochemistry or Organic Chemistry? It seems to me that radiobiology would utilize Biochemistry a lot more...

ochem is a prereq for biochem at most schools.
 
Choppy said:
I'm not sure what exactly AP is... I'm assuming it's some kind of advanced placement high school course that perhaps give you credit for a first year course at a university.

That's exactly what it is. AP courses are intended to prepare students to take AP exams administered by the Educational Testing Service (ETS), the people who also administer the SAT (Scholastic Aptitude Test) that many universities and colleges in the USA use as a tool to help select students for admission. Most universities and colleges grant credit for specific introductory-level courses based on AP exam scores.

I agree that it's usually a bad idea to use AP credit to skip courses in a subject that you're planning to major in.
 
jtbell said:
I agree that it's usually a bad idea to use AP credit to skip courses in a subject that you're planning to major in.

There is the key. There is no problem in taking AP psychology, getting a 5, and opting out of a humanities course in college if you are planning on being a physicist or engineer. All the colleges I looked at needed certain bredth requirements, so use these AP credits to get them out of the way, but still take the essentials.
 
Definitely take the class!

As a sidenote - AP classes are not necessarily inferior to 101 courses offered at universities.
 

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