Does Relativistic Length Contraction Induce Stress in Physical Bodies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relativistic length contraction and its implications, particularly in the context of Bell's Spaceship Paradox. Participants explore whether space itself undergoes contraction in standard special relativity (SR) compared to Lorentz Ether Theory, and whether relativistically contracted bodies experience stress.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the notion that only physical bodies undergo length contraction, suggesting that space may also contract, particularly in the context of Bell's paradox.
  • There is a proposal that length contraction could be interpreted as space contraction by definition, as a measuring rod at rest can span the distance between two objects.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the arguments against the idea that length contraction implies space contraction, noting that Lorentz transformations are coordinate transformations.
  • Some participants highlight that in Bell's paradox, both the distance between the ships and the string are contracted in the launch frame, which could lead to confusion regarding the nature of the contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether space contracts in standard SR or whether relativistically contracted bodies experience stress. Multiple competing views remain, with some arguing for the contraction of space and others questioning this interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion may be influenced by differing interpretations of Bell's paradox and the definitions of length contraction and space contraction. There is also a mention of potential confusion regarding the implications of Lorentz transformations.

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The following is from Accelerating spaceships paradox and physical meaning of length contraction by Vesselin Petkov. Quite a well known paper I think. Speaking of Bell's Spaceship Paradox he says

----This paradox still appears to be regarded by some physicists as proof that (i) only physical bodies, but not space, undergo relativistic length contraction and (ii) a relativistically contracted body experiences a stress.-----

I assume from the context that he is talking about standard SR formulation rather than Lorentz formulation. If my assumption is incorrect then my questions are irrelevant so please ignore them.

The first part seems to be disputed.

What are the arguments for space not contracting in standard SR as opposed to Lorentz Ether Theory? I have seen the question about space contraction asked before on the forum but no one seems to have given a yes or no answer to the question.

As to the second, it seems so obvious to me (not always a good sign) that it it cannot be true that relativistically contracted bodies, as opposed to Lorentz contracted bodies, experience stress. What are the arguments for such stresses ocurring?

Matheinste.
 
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matheinste said:
What are the arguments for space not contracting in standard SR as opposed to Lorentz Ether Theory? I have seen the question about space contraction asked before on the forum but no one seems to have given a yes or no answer to the question.
It seems nothing more than semantics to me. Clearly, if you have two objects at rest a distance apart, and a "measuring rod" (at rest) with ends local to each object, any reference frame that agrees that the measuring rod ends are local to the separated objects must also agree that the distance between the objects is equal to the length of the measuring rod.

It seems to me that length contraction is space contraction by definition, since at least in principle, we can always have a "measuring rod" at rest spanning the distance between any two objects.

In Bell's paradox, the distance between the ships is contracted as well as the string in the launch frame, but the proper distance between the ships is increasing with time while the proper length of the string remains constant, so it breaks. The "contracted" distance between the ships is made to stay constant in the launch frame by stipulation. The distance between the ships is still shorter in the launch frame than in a co-moving reference frame.
 
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Al68 said:
It seems nothing more than semantics to me. Clearly, if you have two objects at rest a distance apart, and a "measuring rod" (at rest) with ends local to each object, any reference frame that agrees that the measuring rod ends are local to the separated objects must also agree that the distance between the objects is equal to the length of the measuring rod.

It seems to me that length contraction is space contraction by definition, since at least in principle, we can always have a "measuring rod" at rest spanning the distance between any two objects.

My thoughts entirely. After all Lorentz transformations are just coordinate transfiorms. But what are the arguments, which are supposed to exist, against this?

Matheinste
 
matheinste said:
My thoughts entirely. After all Lorentz transformations are just coordinate transfiorms. But what are the arguments, which are supposed to exist, against this?

Matheinste
My only guess is that some may be confused about Bell's paradox and not realize that the distance between the ships is also contracted in the launch frame, and by the same factor as the string.
 

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