Does the amperage for a motor wired for 120v or 240v remain the same?

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The discussion revolves around the amperage drawn by an AC induction motor that can be wired for either 120V or 240V. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, amperage, and the implications for motor operation and cost of running the motor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the total amperage remains the same regardless of whether the motor is wired for 120V or 240V, noting that 120V uses one conductor while 240V uses two conductors.
  • Another participant asserts that in single-phase systems, both wires carry the same current regardless of the voltage used.
  • A different participant states that current at 240V will be half of that at 120V, referencing Ohm's Law.
  • One participant emphasizes that costs are based on watts (volts multiplied by amps), not directly on amperage, suggesting that the cost of running the motor is similar at both voltages.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the readings from an amprobe, noting that a motor wired for 120V pulls 10 amps, while the same motor wired for 240V pulls 5 amps on each leg, leading to a perception that the motor is still drawing 10 amps total.
  • One participant clarifies that the motor draws 5 amps on 240V and that the current observed in each wire does not sum up, as it represents the same current flowing through different conductors.
  • A later reply reiterates that both wires carry the same current at either voltage and challenges the interpretation that only one wire carries current at 120V, emphasizing the role of the neutral wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to interpret the amperage drawn by the motor at different voltages. There is no consensus on whether the total amperage remains the same or how to accurately account for the current in the context of wiring configurations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference Ohm's Law and the concept of volt-amps, but there are unresolved assumptions about how current is distributed in single-phase systems and the implications for motor operation.

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Where an AC induction motor can be wired for 120v or 240v, will the total amperage be the same no matter how you wire it?

The way I understand it is, since the 120V wiring has 1 conductor it is carrying all the amps. I realize the neutral plays a part but it does not have amperage flow. The 240v circuit has half the amperage flow per conductor, but since there's two conductors, isn't the total amps the same for the motor?

If this is not true then I don't understand a lot of things. Even if it is true I still do not understand a lot of things!

I'm just trying to figure out how a motor that can run on 120 or 240 can cost essentially the same amount of money to run, and the 240v wiring arrangement is drawing half the amps. I do understand that increasing volts decreases amps all things being equal, but when you wire a 120/240 motor for 240, it changes the way the internal windings are wired so it is not equal. How confused am I on this?
 
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In single phase both wires carry the same current. It doesn't matter if it is 120 volts or 240 volts.
 
Jupiter'sTwin said:
Where an AC induction motor can be wired for 120v or 240v, will the total amperage be the same no matter how you wire it?

Current at 240v will be half that required at 120v. Look up Ohm's Law.
 
I'm just trying to figure out how a motor that can run on 120 or 240 can cost essentially the same amount of money to run, and the 240v wiring arrangement is drawing half the amps.
You do not pay for amps, you pay for watts. And watts = volts * amps.
 
I guess I can't wrap my head around it somehow. I understand Ohm's law clearly. A motor wired for 120 pulls 10 amps (for example) through the one conductor (L1). The same motor wired for 240 pulls half the amps (5) but through both conductors (L1 and L2).

When I put my amprobe on each main supply conductor at the panel for instance, while the 120v load is running, I will see the 10 amps on one of the conductors (provided no other loads are switched on). When I run the same motor wired at 240V my amprobe reads 5 amps on each leg. That says to me the motor is still pulling 10 amps no matter how it's wired. :confused:
 
The motor is drawing 5 amps on 240 volts.

The 5 amps that goes in one wire is the same 5 amps that is coming out on the other wire, just like the motor on 120 volts had 10 amps going in one wire and 10 amps out on the other wire, so it was drawing 10 amps.

You don't add them up, because you are just observing the same current in two different places.

Each way the motor was getting 1200 volt-amps.
 
Jupiter'sTwin said:
I guess I can't wrap my head around it somehow. I understand Ohm's law clearly. A motor wired for 120 pulls 10 amps (for example) through the one conductor (L1). The same motor wired for 240 pulls half the amps (5) but through both conductors (L1 and L2).

When I put my amprobe on each main supply conductor at the panel for instance, while the 120v load is running, I will see the 10 amps on one of the conductors (provided no other loads are switched on). When I run the same motor wired at 240V my amprobe reads 5 amps on each leg. That says to me the motor is still pulling 10 amps no matter how it's wired. :confused:


Reread my first post. BOTH wires carry the same current at either voltage. Do not interpret what I am saying as 120 volt and 240 volt current are the same. Other posters have pointed out that they are not, and they are correct. What makes you think only one wire will carry the current at 120 volts? The neutral has to carry the same current the hot carries.
 

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