Does the expansion of the universe affect our observations in the real world?

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The expansion of the universe does not affect observations at small scales, as the cosmological model relies on homogeneity and isotropy, which are not present below approximately 100 Mpc. The discussion explores analogies, such as the balloon model, to illustrate how space might behave during expansion, questioning whether space is "stuck" to matter or if it slides past it. Local measurements cannot determine the "velocity of space," as the laws of physics remain consistent regardless of velocity. The local geometry is influenced by the distribution of matter, suggesting that significant effects of cosmic expansion may only become relevant at larger scales, such as galactic clusters. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes that while space expands, its effects are negligible on smaller, localized scales.
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jimmysnyder said:
In view of a new thread in the Astrophysics forum
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1008842#post1008842,
I'm amazed that the Cooperstock paper was not mentioned in this thread.
I quote from near the end of the Cooperstock paper.

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9803097

I don't think I necessarily agree with the assumptions underlying Cooperstocks' approach as a "given". From what I can tell from Ned Wright's quote (which is where I found the Cooperstock reference in the first place), he also has similar reservations on Cooperstock's approach - i.e. Ned Wright feels that Cooperstocks approach could be justified only under certain particular conditions, such as a uniform background of "dark matter" in the universe.

Take a look at
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#SS

For the technically minded, Cooperstock et al. computes that the influence of the cosmological expansion on the Earth's orbit around the Sun amounts to a growth by only one part in a septillion over the age of the Solar System. This effect is caused by the cosmological background density within the Solar System going down as the Universe expands, which may or may not happen depending on the nature of the dark matter.

The thing that is probably the most important is that we can regard Cooperstocks' approach as being conservative, in the sense of giving us the biggest possible effect. And even being conservative in this manner, we can see that the effect would be very small and not measurable (parts in a septillion).To take one example, the loss of mass of the sun via radiation would have a much more significant effect on changing planetary orbits than the expansion of the universe - i.e. the sun is losing visible mass much faster than the rate at which hypothetical "dark matter" would be leaving the solar system due to cosmological expansion.
 
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