Does the Universe Expanding Make a Sound?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether the expansion of the universe produces sound waves that can be observed. Participants explore the nature of sound waves, the implications of the universe's expansion, and the phenomenon of redshift in light from distant galaxies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sound requires a medium, such as air, to propagate, and since space lacks such a medium, sound waves cannot exist in the expanding universe.
  • Others propose that the expansion of the universe does not emit sound or light, as it merely causes objects to move further apart.
  • A participant introduces the idea of sound as perturbation waves in a pressure field, suggesting that under a broader definition, acoustic oscillations could be considered, though they are not sound waves in the traditional sense.
  • There is a discussion about the redshift observed in light from galaxies moving away, with some participants clarifying that the redshift is a result of the expansion stretching light waves rather than being emitted due to the expansion itself.
  • Several participants emphasize that the light from galaxies is emitted through normal processes, and the expansion affects the wavelength of that light, leading to redshift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of sound waves in the context of the universe's expansion. While some maintain that sound cannot exist without a medium, others explore more abstract definitions of sound in relation to cosmological models. The discussion on redshift also reveals differing interpretations of its causes.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of sound and pressure, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these definitions on the nature of sound in cosmological contexts.

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Due to the doppler effect, when the source of the sound is moving away from the observer, the sound waves are spread out. Light waves also hace this effect and when a star or galaxy is moving away from us, we see the light wth a slight reddish tint. So my quesion is, does the expansion of the universe make sound waves that we can observe?
 
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Do you know what a "SOUND" wave is and what is required to make/hear one?

I hope you do realize that one of the most proven things in physics is that in space there is no atmosphere no "air" as we would say.
Sound is nothing more than just a vibration of a medium like air that is made of matter at a certain frequency.Now you can have this vibration going on in air in water in metals and rocks and all kinds of "mediums".
In space you just don't have this medium so there can be no sound wave, because one has no place where to be.
We do have light from all parts of space , but light is a Em field and travels by it's force carrier photon which is massless and doesn't need a special medium for it to travel through.The same goes for gravity but not sound.
 
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Crazymechanic said:
Do you know what a "SOUND" wave is and what is required to make/hear one?

I hope you do realize that one of the most proven things in physics is that in space there is no atmosphere no "air" as we would say.
Sound is nothing more than just a vibration of a medium like air that is made of matter at a certain frequency.Now you can have this vibration going on in air in water in metals and rocks and all kinds of "mediums".
In space you just don't have this medium so there can be no sound wave, because one has no place where to be.
We do have light from all parts of space , but light is a Em field and travels by it's force carrier photon which is massless and doesn't need a special medium for it to travel through.The same goes for gravity but not sound.

Thanks. And yea I know what a sound wave is.
 
Expansion is just that. Expansion. Things move further apart over time. Nothing gets closer to anything else, and no sound or light is emitted because of this expansion.
 
What you might be thinking of is sound as perturbation waves in the pressure field. If you adopt a more general definition of pressure, which may include the analogous pressure field in the cosmological fluid model of the universe, then you can define sound waves within the universe as acoustic oscillations of the universe's density at recombination...

This is pretty standard early universe cosmology analysis, and one of the more famous graphs comes from it:

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They are not sound waves, but they are something vaguely analogous.
 
Drakkith said:
Expansion is just that. Expansion. Things move further apart over time. Nothing gets closer to anything else, and no sound or light is emitted because of this expansion.

But then why do we see galaxies that are belived to be moving away from us with a slight redish tint?
 
PhysicsWanabe said:
But then why do we see galaxies that are belived to be moving away from us with a slight redish tint?

Huh? Of course they are redshifted. They are moving away from us. Would you expect something different?

EDIT: google "cosmological red shift" and "doppler red shift"
 
PhysicsWanabe said:
But then why do we see galaxies that are belived to be moving away from us with a slight redish tint?

The light is not emitted because of expansion. It is emitted by normal means, such as hot objects like stars, or ionized gas recombining with electrons. The expansion merely causes the light waves to be stretched out and redshifted as a result.
 

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