Does the Work-Energy Theorem hold true for objects in rotational motion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Work-Energy Theorem to objects in rotational motion, specifically comparing a solid sphere and a cube of equal mass on a frictionless surface. Participants explore the implications of applying force to these objects and the resulting kinetic energies, raising questions about the conditions under which the theorem holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that both the sphere and the cube should have the same total kinetic energy since they experience the same force and linear acceleration, leading to an apparent paradox.
  • Others clarify that the work done on the sphere is greater because the point of contact moves a greater distance due to its rotation, thus increasing the total work done.
  • A participant mentions that the speed used in the power formula is that of the point of contact, which complicates the comparison of kinetic energies between the two objects.
  • Some participants challenge the initial premise that the force applied to both objects is the same, suggesting that the force on the sphere must be greater to achieve the stated results.
  • There are discussions about how the direction and application of force affect the motion of the sphere, with some noting that applying force tangentially leads to a mixture of translation and rotation.
  • Several participants express that there are no paradoxes in idealized scenarios, while others question the assumptions made about distances and forces involved.
  • Some contributions highlight the importance of understanding the nuances of force application and its effects on motion, emphasizing that Newton's laws still apply in these contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the Work-Energy Theorem applies uniformly to both objects in this scenario. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the forces involved and the resulting kinetic energies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the distances through which forces are applied and the specific conditions under which the theorem is being evaluated. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of force application and its effects on motion.

  • #31
Fantasist said:
Any reference to support this claim (I mean experimental data)?
This is standard material in any introductory statics class. My textbook was Meriam and Kraige, Statics, V1, 3rd Ed, p. 52-53, but I cannot imagine that any statics text would skip such a basic concept.

As far as experiments go, you can do this one yourself. Just get an air hockey table, apply a tangential force to the puck, and note that the puck translates as well as rotates.

Fantasist said:
There seems to be a kind of circular argument in place here: from a kinematical point of view (according to F=ma), you know the force only if you know the acceleration. But the acceleration is the unknown here (we are trying to figure out whether the sphere will translate or not in a given situation)
According to Newton and everyone since him, the puck will translate and rotate due to an isolated tangential force. According to you it will only rotate.

I fail to see the circular argument, other than the fact that you argue incessantly about anything involving circular motion.
 

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