Doesn't Alternating current cause fatigue?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of alternating current (AC) on the fatigue of electrical appliances, particularly focusing on light bulbs. Participants explore whether the cyclic nature of AC contributes to structural damage in materials compared to direct current (DC), and they consider the implications for both incandescent and fluorescent bulbs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that alternating current causes the filament in a lamp bulb to heat and cool rapidly, potentially leading to fatigue due to cyclic loading.
  • Another participant questions whether the temperature of the filament changes significantly during each cycle of AC, implying that it may remain relatively constant.
  • A different viewpoint posits that most thermal fatigue occurs when the bulb is first turned on, rather than during normal operation with AC.
  • One participant shares personal observations that light bulbs typically blow out when first turned on, supporting the idea that thermal expansion and contraction are critical failure points.
  • Another participant notes the common flicker seen in fluorescent bulbs, contrasting it with the absence of flicker in incandescent bulbs, which may relate to the discussion of AC effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of AC on filament fatigue, with some suggesting that AC may not significantly affect temperature changes, while others emphasize the importance of initial power-on conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparative effects of AC and DC on appliance longevity.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding thermal dynamics in filaments or the specific conditions under which fatigue occurs. The discussion lacks detailed empirical data to support claims made about bulb failure rates and thermal fatigue mechanisms.

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Take the case of a lamp bulb. When applied an Alternating current across it.. it basically goes on and off 50 times in a second [in India atleast.. we get 50Hz]. Now, it means that the filament gets hold and cold continuously. From wikipedia:

fatigue is the progressive and localised structural damage that occurs when a material is subjected to cyclic loading.

so.. is alternating current more damaging for appliances as compared to DC? Almost all electronic devices convert AC to DC.. so they are out of the question... I'm thinking about the rest of the simple devices.. like light bulbs and stuff.
 
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Do think that the temperature of the filament has time to change much during each current cycle?
 
Doc Al said:
Do think that the temperature of the filament has time to change much during each current cycle?

so.. you basically mean to say that the temperature of the filament remains more or less constant?
 
rohanprabhu said:
so.. you basically mean to say that the temperature of the filament remains more or less constant?
I haven't studied the matter, but that's what I would expect. (Where are all the light bulb engineers when you need them?) I would expect most thermal fatigue to occur when you first turn on the bulb.
 
Doc Al said:
I would expect most thermal fatigue to occur when you first turn on the bulb.

That's what I was taught, and empirical evidence seems to support it. I have absolutely never in my life seen a light bulb blow out except when first turned on. That's the same reason that I never shut my computer off; supposedly the thermal expansion/contraction is the main failure point for the internal circuitry. (The HD and screen go to sleep on their own, so I'm not sure that there's any benefit from their perspective.)
 
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Well, think about common flicker. We all see it in flourescent bulbs, yet we don't see it in incandescent bulbs.
 

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