Doing a PSM in Nanoscience before applying to Ph.D at top schools

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the potential benefits and implications of pursuing a Professional Science Master's (PSM) in Nanoscience before applying to Ph.D. programs in Physics, particularly at prestigious institutions. Participants explore concerns about academic qualifications, the relevance of the PSM, and its impact on future career prospects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that a PSM may not enhance chances of admission to top Physics programs, suggesting that traditional physics graduate courses and research might be more beneficial.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of submitting GRE scores after obtaining a Master's, indicating that GRE rules likely still apply.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the academic weight of a PSM, with one participant noting that PSM students may not take all core physics graduate courses, which could affect its perceived value in academia.
  • Some participants argue that while a Ph.D. from a less prestigious school may not carry the same weight, capable individuals can still succeed in the job market, depending on the field and context.
  • One participant highlights that perceptions of school rankings may vary significantly between academic and non-academic career paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the value of a PSM in relation to Ph.D. admissions and career outcomes, indicating that no consensus exists on its effectiveness or relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a definitive conclusion regarding the impact of a PSM on Ph.D. admissions or its utility in the job market, and there are varying assumptions about the nature of PSM programs and their academic rigor.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering a PSM in Nanoscience, those interested in Ph.D. programs in Physics, and individuals evaluating career paths in academia versus industry may find this discussion relevant.

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First: I am US Citizen, inquiring about US study though open to study abroad.

I'm in my last year of my Physics degree, and like many people would like to go to do my Ph.D in Physics.

However, my GRE and GPA are only mediocre and I'm concerned that I would have difficulty getting into a reputable Ph.D program. My GPA is 3.2 and my Physics GRE 580.

My current University offers a joint BS/PSM program. I've prepared to enter the program by carefully selecting my Upper division Physics electives but always thought of this as a Plan B and have yet to officially apply.

My questions are, exactly,

1. Will doing my PSM (Nanoscience) enhance my chances of entering a reputable Physics program like Stanford or Caltech?

2. Will I still have to submit GRE scores when I already have a Master's? (Generally)

3. Is the PSM independently useful or is it hype like a Bachelor's in Interdisciplinary Studies?

4. Is a Ph.D from a less reputable but very competent school useful in the job market?
 
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1) I doubt it. A PSM program is supposed to prepare you for a career track isn't it? So aren't some business courses usually in the mix? I would think taking "normal" physics grad courses and doing more physics research is a better choice. But I don't think you have a realistic chance at #1 schools with your grades. Is there a reason you think only #1 ranked schools are reputable.
2) I am pretty sure the PGRE rules apply to everyone, but you will do better on the PGRE once you take (harder) grad level courses (and "Carnegie Hall" practicing).
3) I don't really know, but PSM students I know do not take all the core physics grad courses nor the comp exams so PSM does not carry as much weight in the academic setting. Really, I thought PSM was about lining up a non-academic career.
4) Bright people will shine wherever they are, but... You will hear a lot of arguments about this, but my personal feeling is that to get a tenure track faculty position (and first the excellent respected post-doc), you need to be a place where great things are happening, usually the most highly ranked schools. But if you are being realistic and considering non-academic careers, people outside the university are usually not too aware of the rankings. I would say that it depends on which job market you are talking about.
 
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