Double Integrals - interpreting what are my boundaries?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating double integrals involving parabolic cylinders defined by the equations y=1-x^2 and y=x^2-1, along with planes x+y+z=2 and 2x+2y-z+10=0. Participants are exploring how to determine the boundaries for integration and the roles of the planes in the context of volume calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the limits of integration derived from the parabolic cylinders and question the relevance of the planes in defining these limits. There are attempts to clarify the setup for the integrals and the interpretation of the planes as boundaries for height rather than limits.

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Some participants have provided guidance on setting up the integrals and suggested methods for determining the limits based on the intersection of the parabolas. There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the role of the planes in the integration process, as well as discrepancies in the algebraic manipulation of the integrals. Participants are also considering the implications of symmetry in their calculations.

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Hmm ...

The solid enclosed by the parabolic cylinders y=1-x^2, y=x^2-1 and the planes x+y+z=2, 2x+2y-z+10=0 by subtracting two volumes.

Ok, so I know what my limits should be from the parabolic cylinders, but how was I supposed to know that the 2x+2y-z+10=0 plane doesn't play a role in my integral? When I was initially doing this problem, I thought I had to subtract the top plane from the bottom plane (lol I know, but I was just trying things).
 
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If you are doing this in 2-d i.e. using dx.dy
the plane only define height (so nothing to do with limits)
Remember: Areas and volumes
 
If the planes form the "top" and "bottom" you can do this in either of two ways:
The integral
[tex]\int\int \int_{f(x,y)}^{g(x,y)} dzdydx= \int\int (g(x,y)- f(x,y))dydx[/tex]
The integral of dzdxdy is just the integral of the limits for z integrated with respect to x and y.

If, as I said, the planes for the top and bottom, solve their equations for z and ust those for g(x,y) and f(x,y). As for the integration in the xy plane, determine where the parabolas intersect, integrate between those x vaues and for the dy integral, integrate from y= x2-1 to y= 1- x2.
 
HallsofIvy said:
If the planes form the "top" and "bottom" you can do this in either of two ways:
The integral
[tex]\int\int \int_{f(x,y)}^{g(x,y)} dzdydx= \int\int (g(x,y)- f(x,y))dydx[/tex]
The integral of dzdxdy is just the integral of the limits for z integrated with respect to x and y.

If, as I said, the planes for the top and bottom, solve their equations for z and ust those for g(x,y) and f(x,y). As for the integration in the xy plane, determine where the parabolas intersect, integrate between those x vaues and for the dy integral, integrate from y= x2-1 to y= 1- x2.
Halls, this exercise is in the double-integral section, but I do love triple :)

Question though ... so I have it set up as

[tex]-2\int_0^1\int_0^{1-x^2}(x+y-2)dydy[/tex]

Can I not take advantage of symmetry? B/c everywhere I look has it as ... [tex]\int_{-1}^1\int_{x^2-1}^{1-x^2}(2-x-y)dydx[/tex] or am I just messing up my algebra?
 
I meant -4
 
Have you calculated those two integrals to see if they are different?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Have you calculated those two integrals to see if they are different?
Uh huh ...

[tex]-4\int_0^1\int_0^{1-x^2}(x+y-2)dydx[/tex]

[tex]-4\int_0^1\left[x(1-x^2)+\frac{(1-x^2)^2}{2}-2(1-x^2)\right]dx[/tex]

[tex]-4\left(\frac 1 2-\frac 1 4+\frac{1-\frac 2 3+\frac 1 5}{2}-2+\frac 2 3\right)=\frac{49}{15}[/tex]

Answer = 64/3

I guess I can't take advantage of symmetry on this problem.
 

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