Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian

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The discussion revolves around the double pendulum problem, specifically focusing on expressing the coordinates of the second mass in relation to the first mass using Lagrangian mechanics. Participants are exploring the implications of reparameterizing the equations of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the coordinates of the second mass in terms of the first mass and questions whether the Lagrangian remains invariant under this transformation. Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the problem and seek confirmation of understanding.

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The discussion appears to be in an early stage, with some participants questioning the definitions and expressions used. There is a lack of consensus, and the original poster is seeking feedback on their approach.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the definitions of the coordinates, particularly for the z-coordinate of the second mass. Participants are also referencing external resources for further context.

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Rather than solve the double pendulum problem with two masses in the usual way.

Instead express the coordinates of the second mass, in terms of the coordinates of the mass above it.

[tex] $ x2=x_1+\xi = L_1Sin[\theta]Cos[\phi]+L_2Sin[\alpha]Cos[\beta]$\\<br /> $ y2=y_1+ \eta = L_1Sin[\theta]Sin[\phi]+L_2Sin[\alpha]Sin[\beta]$\\<br /> $ z2=z_1-\xi = L_1-L_1Cos[\theta]-L_2Sin[\alpha]Cos[\beta]$[/tex]Wouldn't you suspect that the Lagrangian remain invariant? Is there a way to reparameterize these equations?

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No one has any opinions?

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
 

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Then the problem I'm interested in is the following
 

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I'm not sure if I had defined z_2 correct:
[tex] <br /> <br /> $ z2=z_1-\xi = L_1-L_1Cos[\theta]-L_2Cos[\alpha]$<br /> [/tex]
 

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