Doubt regarding the sequence (-1)^n

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the sequence (-1)^n. Participants explore definitions of convergence and divergence, particularly in the context of oscillating sequences, and seek clarity on whether such sequences can be classified as divergent.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that since the sequence (-1)^n does not have a limit, it is divergent.
  • Others clarify that divergence signifies a lack of a limit, and that non-oscillating sequences diverge to infinity, while oscillating sequences do not converge or diverge to infinity.
  • A participant questions the classification of oscillating sequences without a limit, pondering where they diverge to, if at all.
  • There is mention of a specific example, the sequence (-1)n.n, which oscillates and increases/decreases without bound, raising further questions about its divergence.
  • Another participant defines oscillating sequences in terms of limit superior and limit inferior, suggesting they are neither convergent nor divergent to infinity.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of limit points and how the oscillation of (-1)^n results in the absence of limit points, reinforcing the idea of divergence without a specific direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the sequence (-1)^n does not converge, but there is disagreement on whether it should be classified as divergent and, if so, to what extent or direction it diverges. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of oscillating sequences.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about definitions and classifications, particularly concerning oscillating sequences and their divergence. There are references to differing sources that provide conflicting definitions of divergence.

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Hello everyone!

I was wondering whether the sequence (-1)^n is converging or diverging. According to Wikipedia, a sequence that doesn't have a limit (i.e, which doesn't converge), is automatically divergent. (-1)^n doesn't have a limit, yet all its values oscillate between 1 and -1, and doesn't tend to ∞. So, is it a divergent sequence or something else?

Thanks! :D
 
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Does it have a limit?
No, then it's divergent.
Divergent means that it doesn't have a number for a limit.
 
Divergence is the lack of a limit. If a sequence does not oscillate but instead increases without bound, it is said to be diverging to infinity, or when it is rather obvious, it is said it simply diverges. In the extended real number line, one can say that a sequence converges to infinity.
 
Thank you, johnqwertyful and Millenial for your replies, but I'm still in doubt (sorry!).

Millennial said:
Divergence is the lack of a limit. If a sequence does not oscillate but instead increases without bound, it is said to be diverging to infinity, or when it is rather obvious, it is said it simply diverges.

So, you mean to say that non-oscillating sequences without a limit are divergent. But what then is an oscillating sequence without a limit? It definitely doesn't converge, and diverges if one takes the definition of divergence as the "absence of a limit". But where does it diverge to?

For example, consider the sequence (-1)n.n : -1,2,-3, 4, -5, 6,...

It seems to increase (as well as decrease) without bound, and doesn't have a limit. So, by the definition of divergence (absence of limit), it does diverge, but towards where? +∞ or -∞? Or does it not matter?

And can anyone give me a mathematical definition of an oscillating sequence?

I'm sorry, but this whole conundrum arose from the fact that Thomas-Finney states that (-1)n is divergent, whereas a Maths encylopedia named MATHS 1001, states that it neither converges nor diverges.
 
It doesn't have to diverge to anything. If it is explicitly stated that a sequence is divergent, it means it has no limit. If it is loosely stated, and the reader is expected to understand that it grows without bound, it means that the sequence diverges to infinity.

Oscillating sequences are, by definition, neither convergent nor divergent to infinity. Oscillation as a quantifying measure is defined by the difference of the limit superior and the limit inferior of a function.
 
Hi.

Yes, if it diverges to something, then - it converges to it. Diverges means there is nothing one can point at and say: "Yes, it went that way".

In math, we use a notion of a \mathbb{Limit\;Point}. Point P is limit point if in EVERY neighbourhood of P there is at list one more point from sequence. Exact techical definition is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_point.

So, (-1)^n oscillates from 1 to -1 and back. So Sequence has no points in \langle -1,1\rangle. This segment is part of neighborhoods of 1 and -1 with no other sequence points in them. Obviously, there is no limit point. Same is true if we restrict analysis to natural numbers from \mathbb{N} only.

Yes, sequences can diverge and stay bounded.

Cheers.
 

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