Down quarks force vs ten tonnes truck force

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The discussion revolves around comparing the forces acting between down quarks, specifically the calculated electrostatic repulsion, with the gravitational force equivalent to the weight of a ten-tonne truck. The focus is on understanding the significance of the relative magnitudes of these forces within the context of particle physics.

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  • One participant calculated the electrostatic repulsive force between two down quarks to be 25.3N and seeks to compare this with the gravitational force of a ten-tonne truck, which is 98000N.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculated force may represent electrostatic repulsion rather than the strong force attraction, questioning the use of the formula F = k \frac {q_1 q_2}{r^2}.
  • A participant confirms the use of the electrostatic force equation and seeks clarification on how to compare this repulsion with the gravitational force of the truck.
  • It is noted that the value of 25.3N is not indicative of the strong force attraction, emphasizing that direct calculation of the strong force is complex and that at nuclear scales, forces are significantly larger.
  • One participant highlights that at very small distances, the strong force becomes incredibly large, and attempts to isolate quarks lead to the creation of quark-antiquark pairs instead.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the forces being discussed, particularly regarding whether the calculated force represents electrostatic repulsion or strong force attraction. There is no consensus on how to effectively compare these forces.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of forces at the quantum level and the complexities involved in calculating the strong force, which are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, particularly in understanding the interactions between fundamental particles and the significance of force magnitudes at small scales.

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I have calculated that the strong repulsive force between two down quarks is 25.3N.
A book that I am reading said that the force of attraction between two quarks is 'equivalent to the weight of a ten tonne truck’, whose force is equals to 98000N. How can I compare the values of these two forces to explain the significance of the relative magnitude of the strong force. Many thanks.
 
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I believe what you have calculated is the electrostatic repulsion, not the strong force attraction.
Did you use [tex]F = k \frac {q_1 q_2}{r^2},[/tex] where [itex]k = \frac {1}{4\piε_o}[/itex]?
 
yes, I used that equation to calculate the force of repulsion but with –ke = 9.0 x 10^9 N m^2 C^-2. How can I compare the values of this repulsion force between the two down quarks with the gravitational force of a 10 tonnes tanck in order to explain the significance of the relative magnitude of the strong force?
 
That's right, [itex]\frac{1}{4πε_o}[/itex] has magnitude [itex]9[/itex] x [itex]10^9[/itex]. [itex]25.3 N[/itex] is not the strong force attraction between two down quarks, it is the magnitude of electrostatic repulsion. This is why this number and 98000N are not very comparable.

Direct calculation of the strong force is not too easy:
See http://home.fnal.gov/~cheung/rtes/RTESWeb/LQCD_site/pages/calculatingtheforces.htm

I think perhaps what the question wants you to recognise that at such small distances, of the order of [itex]fm[/itex], the nuclear scale, this force is incredibly huge. (in fact, if one tries to pull quarks apart, in order to give isolated quarks, you will find you can't. Instead when the potential energy is enough will result in a quark-antiquark pair)
 
Thanks caf123, that's was very helpful!
 

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