Dual Nature of Photon (and such particles) - WHY?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dual nature of photons and other quantum particles, exploring the reasons behind this phenomenon, its theoretical implications, and the experimental evidence supporting it. Participants engage in conceptual clarifications and debates regarding wave-particle duality and its interpretation within quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the meaning of "why" in relation to the dual nature of photons, seeking clarification on whether it pertains to the proposal of the idea, experimental confirmation, or underlying theory.
  • One participant suggests that wave-particle duality is a concept derived from popularizations and not a definitive description of quantum behavior.
  • Another participant asserts that photons have a single nature, exhibiting characteristics reminiscent of both classical particles and waves, but does not elaborate on the implications of this statement.
  • A participant introduces an analogy of the blind men and the elephant to illustrate differing perspectives on the nature of photons.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical framework of quantum mechanics, specifically referencing the solution of Schrödinger's equation as an example of wave-like behavior, but the reasons behind the mathematics remain unspecified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photons possess dual nature or a single nature that exhibits characteristics of both particles and waves. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and texts to support their claims, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions underlying the interpretations of wave-particle duality and the mathematical descriptions in quantum mechanics.

Abishek
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I know that photons and other particles of comparatively smaller dimension show dual nature. But why? Can someone help me? :confused:
 
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Why the idea was proposed?
Or how the experimental data suggest/confirm that?
Or what is the underlying theory that gives rise to wave-particle duality?

Which one is the meaning of your "why" ?
 
Macroscopic entities also have wave-like properties, as a literature search will show. Whys about nature are teleologic.
 
Abishek said:
I know that photons and other particles of comparatively smaller dimension show dual nature. But why? Can someone help me? :confused:

You mean the so called wave particle duality?

Surprisingly the answer is they don't - the wave particle duality is simply a concept from popularisations and beginning texts - see our FAQ:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-light-a-wave-or-a-particle.511178/

Its really quantum stuff.

What's quantum stuff - I think the following is a good place to start on that interesting lifelong journey:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
You mean the so called wave particle duality?

Surprisingly the answer is they don't - the wave particle duality is simply a concept from popularisations and beginning texts - see our FAQ:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-light-a-wave-or-a-particle.511178/

Its really quantum stuff.

What's quantum stuff - I think the following is a good place to start on that interesting lifelong journey:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

Thanks
Bill

Thank you for your reply, but are you saying that photons do not have dual nature?
 
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Photons are quantum objects that have their own single nature. They act in some ways that are reminiscent of classical particles, and in other ways that are reminiscent of classical waves.

Do you know the tale about the blind men and the elephant?
 
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jtbell said:
Photons are quantum objects that have their own single nature. They act in some ways that are reminiscent of classical particles, and in other ways that are reminiscent of classical waves.

Do you know the tale about the blind men and the elephant?
No...
 
One felt a leg and likened the elephant to a tree. Another felt the tail and likened the elephant to a rope. The third felt something and likened it to something else. All were correct, and none had any idea what an elephant looked like or was.
 
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OK, so a photon has many characteristics, I get it... My point being, why quantum particles have both wave as well as particle nature? Is there any boundaries for this characteristic?
 
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Abishek said:
OK, so a photon has many characteristics, I get it... My point being, why quantum particles have both wave as well as particle nature? Is there any boundaries for this characteristic?

The full theory tells you when and why.

For example the solution of Schroedinger's equation for a free particle is wave-like. Why? Its just the way the math works. Why the math - see the first three chapters of Ballentine:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9814578584/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Thanks
Bill
 
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