Dumbfounded by this trigonometric equation.

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometric equation modeling the height of a beach ball riding waves, described by the formula h = 1.4 sin(∏t/3). Participants are tasked with determining when the ball is at sea level, when it reaches its maximum height, and how far below sea level it goes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of graphing technology to visualize the problem but question how to solve it without such tools. They discuss setting h to 0 to find when the ball is at sea level and consider the maximum and minimum values of the sine function to address other parts of the problem.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the sine function's properties, including its maximum and minimum values, as well as the periodic nature of the function. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of sine waves and their properties, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their ability to solve the problem without technology.

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Homework Statement



A beach ball is riding the the waves near Tofino, BC. The ball goes up and down with the waves according to the formula h= 1.4 sin(∏t/3), where h is the height in meters above sea level, and t is the time in seconds.

A) In the first 10s when is the ball @ sea level.
B) When does the ball reach its greatest height above sea level? Give the first time this occurs and then write an expression for every time the maximum occurs.
C) According to the formula, what is the most the ball goes below sea level.

The Attempt at a Solution



Only way I can imagine solving this would be graphing it with technology, and only for A by setting H to 0.

How can I solve this without technology and how would I find the max and min. for B and C.
 
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zaddyzad said:

Homework Statement



A beach ball is riding the the waves near Tofino, BC. The ball goes up and down with the waves according to the formula h= 1.4 sin(∏t/3), where h is the height in meters above sea level, and t is the time in seconds.

A) In the first 10s when is the ball @ sea level.
B) When does the ball reach its greatest height above sea level? Give the first time this occurs and then write an expression for every time the maximum occurs.
C) According to the formula, what is the most the ball goes below sea level.

The Attempt at a Solution



Only way I can imagine solving this would be graphing it with technology, and only for A by setting H to 0.

How can I solve this without technology and how would I find the max and min. for B and C.
What is the period of sin(θ) ?

For what value(s) of θ is sin(θ) = 0 ?

What is the maximum value sin(θ) ever attains. For what value(s) of θ does sin(θ) attain that maximum value?
...
 
zaddyzad said:

Homework Statement



A beach ball is riding the the waves near Tofino, BC. The ball goes up and down with the waves according to the formula h= 1.4 sin(∏t/3), where h is the height in meters above sea level, and t is the time in seconds.

A) In the first 10s when is the ball @ sea level.
B) When does the ball reach its greatest height above sea level? Give the first time this occurs and then write an expression for every time the maximum occurs.
C) According to the formula, what is the most the ball goes below sea level.

The Attempt at a Solution



Only way I can imagine solving this would be graphing it with technology, and only for A by setting H to 0.

How can I solve this without technology and how would I find the max and min. for B and C.

For A) It's at sea level when h=0, and you want to know the time so you should be solving for t. Can you do that? It's simple trigonometry.
For B) think about the max and min values a sine wave can have, that is, what is the max and min of [itex]y=\sin(x)[/itex], so therefore, what is the max and min of [itex]y=A\sin(x)[/itex] ?
C) is similar to B).
 
A) 0 correct ?
B/C) Iv never seen a Sin wave until I just had google graph it for me. Max sin = 1 and Min. sin = -1. And Sinθ=0 when θ=0,180. However how does this help me solve the overall b/c w.o technology.
 
Mentallic said:
For A) It's at sea level when h=0, and you want to know the time so you should be solving for t. Can you do that? It's simple trigonometry.
For B) think about the max and min values a sine wave can have, that is, what is the max and min of [itex]y=\sin(x)[/itex], so therefore, what is the max and min of [itex]y=A\sin(x)[/itex] ?
C) is similar to B).

With max sin=1 and min = -1 how do I set up the equation ?
 
SammyS said:
What is the period of sin(θ) ?

For what value(s) of θ is sin(θ) = 0 ?

What is the maximum value sin(θ) ever attains. For what value(s) of θ does sin(θ) attain that maximum value?
...

Also for A how do I find the other values for which h=0.
 
zaddyzad said:
A) 0 correct ?
B/C) Iv never seen a Sin wave until I just had google graph it for me. Max sin = 1 and Min. sin = -1. And Sinθ=0 when θ=0,180. However how does this help me solve the overall b/c w.o technology.

If you've never seen a sine wave before today, what are you doing answering these questions? And maybe the title should have a been a little different, because it suggests you already know trig but you were just put off by a harder problem.

Anyway, yes, the sine wave oscillates between 1 and -1. This means that if we had the graph [itex]y=\sin(x)[/itex] the max would be 1 and the min would be -1. Thus the graph [itex]y=2\sin(x)[/itex] will oscillate between 2 and -2 because whatever the value of sin(x) is, the y value will be doubled.
In general, [itex]y=A\sin(x)[/itex] will oscillate between A and -A.

The period of a sine wave means how far along the x-axis (or time in your case) the sine wave takes to finish a complete cycle. If we're at the maximum value of 1, then for [itex]y=\sin(x)[/itex] it'll take another 360o to get back to 1 again. So sin(x)=1 occurs at x = 180o, 540o, 900o, -180o etc. going on forever. The general formula is [itex]x=180^o+n\cdot 360^o[/itex] for any integer n.

You need to be careful though! Just because the period of the sine wave is 360o doesn't mean when you solve [itex]\sin(x)=0[/itex] it'll happen every 360o because if the wave starts at 1 and by the time it gets back to 1 again, it would have crossed the y-axis twice (went down to -1 then back up again). The general formula for [itex]\sin(x)=0[/itex] is [itex]x=n\cdot 180^o[/itex]

Finally, similarly to how you multiply the sine wave by a constant and the max/min changes from 1/-1, if you multiply the argument of the sine by a constant, such as [itex]y=\sin(bx)[/itex] then the period of the sine wave will change. If b=2, then the period is halved which means the graph will oscillate twice as fast (it'll only take 180o to get from 1 back to 1 again).
 

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