[DYNAMICS] Acceleration as a function of position.

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The discussion revolves around solving a dynamics problem involving acceleration as a function of position. Participants explore the relationship between velocity, position, and acceleration, particularly in the context of a given initial velocity and radius of curvature. The conversation includes attempts to derive equations and resolve difficulties encountered in the calculations.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving acceleration as a function of position, with specific values for initial velocity, radius of curvature, and a negative acceleration function.
  • Another participant suggests a correction to the equation derived from the initial attempt, proposing the inclusion of a constant of integration to ensure the positivity of the velocity squared.
  • There is a discussion about the potential confusion in notation, particularly the use of 's' for position versus time.
  • A later reply elaborates on the derivation process, calculating constants and expressing velocity in terms of position, ultimately arriving at a solution for acceleration.
  • Participants engage in refining the equations and checking the correctness of the derived values, with one participant confirming that their final answer was correct.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to the problem, as there are corrections and alternative methods proposed. The discussion reflects multiple viewpoints on how to handle the equations and constants involved.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the integration constants and the notation used for position and time, which may affect clarity in the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement



Initial velocity = 17 m/s
Radius of curvature = 13 m
Acceleration as a function of position = -0.25s m/s^2
Time elapsed = 2 s

Solve for the magnitude of the acceleration.

Homework Equations



a = v (dv/ds)

a^2 = a(t)^2 + a(n)^2, wherein a(t) is tangential acceleration and a(n) is normalized acceleration.

The Attempt at a Solution



a*ds = v*dv

int(-0.25s*ds) = int(v*dv)

v^2 = -0.25s^2

From this point I have hit significant difficulty, as you cannot take the square root of a negative number. Presumably there is another method to solve this equation that I have neglected, but it hasn't occurred to me, and my professor is notoriously poor at returning emails. Any thoughts?
 
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Brevity said:
v^2 = -0.25s^2

From this point I have hit significant difficulty, as you cannot take the square root of a negative number.
Shouldn't that be

1/2 v^2 = c - 0.25s^2

where c is a constant of integration. Assuming c is greater than .25s^2, then 1/2 v^2 is positive.

Also, you might consider using another name for position or distance, to avoid confusion since s is often use to represent time in seconds.

1/2 v^2 = c - 0.25 d^2
 
rcgldr said:
Shouldn't that be

1/2 v^2 = c - 0.25s^2

where c is a constant of integration. Assuming c is greater than .25s^2, then 1/2 v^2 is positive.

Also, you might consider using another name for position or distance, to avoid confusion since s is often use to represent time in seconds.

1/2 v^2 = c - 0.25 d^2

Understood. It would then be 1/2 v^2 = C - 0.125 d^2, would it not? Let me try it out.
 
Brevity said:
Understood. It would then be 1/2 v^2 = C - 0.125 d^2, would it not? Let me try it out.

Unless I have misinterpreted something horribly, this was my process:

s denotes position.
t denotes time.

-0.25s ds = v dv
C -0.125s^2 = 1/2 v^2
When s = 0, v = 17.
C = 1/2 (17)^2
C = 144.5
144.5 - 0.125s^2 = 1/2v^2
289 - 0.25s^2 = v^2
v = sqrt(289 - 0.25s^2)
ds / dt = sqrt(289 - 0.25s^2)
(289 - 0.25s^2)^(-1/2) ds = dt
2*sin^-1(0.029412s) = t
t = 2
s = 34sin(1)
s = 28.61

v = sqrt(289 - 0.25s^2)
v = sqrt(84.367)
v = 9.185

a(n) = v^2 / ρ
v = 9.185
ρ = 13
a(n) = 6.48956

a(t) = -0.25s
s = 28.61
a(t) = -7.1525

a = sqrt(a(n)^2+a(t)^2)
a = sqrt(42.114+51.1583)
a = 9.66

The answer was correct!

Many thanks to you.
 

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