Finding the acceleration in a curvilinear motion (n-t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total acceleration of a mine skip moving along a curved track defined by the equation y = x²/28. Participants are attempting to determine the acceleration at a specific point, 3.5 ft below the top of the track, while considering the effects of the drum and cable system. The context includes homework-related problem-solving in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant assumes that the angular speed of the drum equals the speed of the mine skip, leading to the conclusion that tangential acceleration is zero.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that tangential acceleration is zero, noting that if it were, the skip would not speed up.
  • There is a discussion about whether the speed of the skip is equal to the angular speed, with some participants expressing confusion over this relationship.
  • A participant requests clarification on the calculation of the radius of curvature (ρ), indicating they arrived at a different result.
  • One participant provides their calculation for ρ, showing the steps leading to 15.33 ft, while another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the variables involved.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the problem statement, clarifying that y is 3.5 ft, not x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the assumptions about tangential acceleration and the relationship between the skip's speed and the drum's angular speed. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to explore these points.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about acceleration, particularly concerning the tangential acceleration and its implications for the skip's motion. The calculations for the radius of curvature also depend on the correct interpretation of the variables involved.

Zang

Homework Statement


The mine skip is being hauled to the surface over the curved track by the cable wound around the 38-in. drum, which turns at the constant clockwise speed of 96 rev/min. The shape of the track is designed so that y = x2/28, where x and y are in feet. Calculate the magnitude of the total acceleration of the skip as it reaches a level of 3.5 ft below the top. Neglect the dimensions of the skip compared with those of the path. Recall that the radius of curvature is given by
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Homework Equations


an = v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I assumed that the angular speed of the drum is the same as the speed of the mine skip which is constant, so tangential acceleration would be 0.
v = 96 rev/min = 15.92 ft/s.
ρ = 15.33 ft using the given formula.
an = 15.922/15.33 = 16.53 ft/s2.
since at = 0 => a = an = 16.53 ft/s2, but it said my answer is wrong. Is that because at is not 0 and how do I find it?
 
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If the tangential acceleration was zero the skip would not speed up ...
 
Orodruin said:
If the tangential acceleration was zero the skip would not speed up ...
It didn't say the skip speeds up and doesn't the speed of the skip equal to the angular speed?
 
Zang said:
It didn't say the skip speeds up and doesn't the speed of the skip equal to the angular speed?
I missed the drum and cable and thought it was accelerating due to gravity.

Can you show your work leading up to ##\rho = 15.33'##? I do not get the same result.
 
Orodruin said:
I missed the drum and cable and thought it was accelerating due to gravity.

Can you show your work leading up to ##\rho = 15.33'##? I do not get the same result.
y = x2/28
dy/dx = x/14
at x = 3.5 ft, dy/dx = 3.5/14 = .25
d2y/dx2 = 1/14
ρ = ((1+.252)3/2)/(1/14) = (1.0625)3/2 * 14 = 1.095 * 14 = 15.33 ft
 
The problem statement seems to indicate that y=3.5', not x=3.5'.
 
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Orodruin said:
The problem statement seems to indicate that y=3.5', not x=3.5'.
I totally missed that. Thank you so much!
 

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