Solving a Second-Order Nonlinear Differential Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order nonlinear differential equation related to the motion of a rocket landing from an altitude of 100 km. Participants explore the effects of drag and gravitational forces while simplifying certain assumptions about air density and other factors.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation of motion for a rocket, incorporating drag and gravitational forces, and seeks guidance on solving the resulting differential equation.
  • Another participant suggests looking up terminal velocity equations, indicating that air density and velocity change slowly with altitude.
  • A different participant challenges the air density approximation provided, proposing an exponential decay model for air density instead.
  • One participant attempts to reformulate the differential equation using the new air density model but expresses confusion over the complexity introduced by the variable height.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to substitute time differentials with height differentials and suggests integrating with respect to height to simplify the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate model for air density and the best approach to solving the differential equation. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their assumptions regarding air density and the complexity of the resulting equations, which depend on the chosen models and approximations.

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Homework Statement


Hi, I'm trying to calculate the formula for the position vs. time of a rocket landing from an altitude of 100km. I'm neglecting a lot of forces for simplification but basically, I want to solve ##F_{net} = Drag - mg##.

Homework Equations


Drag Force: D = ## \frac {C_dAρv^2} {2}##

Air Density at height h: ρ(h) = b * h
(I'm just assuming this to simplify the calculation. In the real derivation I would find an equation for each layer of the atmosphere since they differ).

Simplified D = ##kρv^2## where k = ## \frac {C_dA} {2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


##F_{net} = Drag - mg##
##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kρv^2- mg##
##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kbhv^2- mg##

Now I can write v as ## \frac {dh} {dt}##:

##m \frac {dh^2} {d^2t} = kbh{ ( \frac {dh} {dt})}^2- mg##

Here's where I can't solve it. I've never really taken advanced differential equations so I would just like some tips to go in the right direction. I want to get an h(t) type of equation at the end. If that isn't possible, I would still like to simplify the differential to maybe just solve for a numerical answer.
 
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Hi,

google terminal velocity differential equation and find e.g. eq 11 here

##\rho## and ##v## vary slowly with altitude
 
Hi, the website that you gave doesn't account for ρ. I have already solved the equation in the website when just velocity changes. But when I add the ρ, the equation becomes harder for me since h(t) and h'(t) are multiplied.
 
Your equation for the air density is not correct. A more appropriate approximation would be ##\rho = \rho_0 e^{-bh}##
To solve the differential equation, write dt = dh/v.
 
Oh ok. So I would get:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{-bh}v^2 - mg##

Since ## \frac {dh} {dt} = v## → ##dh = v dt## → ##h = \frac {v^2} {2} + C##
Substituting:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2} + C}v^2 - mg##

⇒ ##m \frac {dv} {dt} = Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg##

⇒## \frac {dv} {Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg} = \frac {dt} {m}##
 
bob14 said:
Oh ok. So I would get:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{-bh}v^2 - mg##

Since ## \frac {dh} {dt} = v## → ##dh = v dt## → ##h = \frac {v^2} {2} + C##
Substituting:

##m \frac {dv} {dt} = kp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2} + C}v^2 - mg##

⇒ ##m \frac {dv} {dt} = Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg##

⇒## \frac {dv} {Ckp_0e^{\frac {-bv^2} {2}}v^2 - mg} = \frac {dt} {m}##
This is not what I said. Substitute dt = dh/v in dv/dt, and integrate with respect to h.
 

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