What is the equation for M and why is there a T?

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The discussion revolves around the equations of motion for a system involving masses and a pulley. The key equations presented include T = m2g and the relationship between forces acting on the mass M, expressed as -T + Fpush - n = Ma. Clarification is provided that tension T acts both horizontally and downward on mass M, but does not affect the calculations if friction is absent. The participants confirm that the equations align with the book's results, emphasizing the importance of understanding gravitational force relationships. The final consensus is that the equations correctly represent the dynamics of the system.
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Please see picture.
Here is my method. Is it good?
T=m2g
m2g=m1a
a=m2g/m1
-n+Fpush=Ma. (n=normal force of m2 on M).
n=m2a=(m2)^2g/(m1a)

-n+Fpush=Ma.
Fpush=Ma+(m2)^2g/m
 

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yolo123 said:
Please see picture.
Here is my method. Is it good?
T=m2g
m2g=m1a
a=m2g/m1
-n+Fpush=Ma. (n=normal force of m2 on M).
n=m2a=(m2)^2g/(m1a)

-n+Fpush=Ma.
Fpush=Ma+(m2)^2g/m
No.

There is a horizontal force of T exerted to the left on M via the pulley.

There is also a downward force of T exerted on M, but that doesn't come into play here. It would if there was friction opposing the movement of M.

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Is the answer of the book wrong :O ?
 
yolo123 said:
Is the answer of the book wrong :O ?

Their result looks correct.
 
Perfect, I will come back to it!
What about this problem? I solved the force values:
I get -(5/8)M^2G/r^2 for the first attraction of the big mass and M^2G/(2r^2) for the attraction of the small mass.

Where did they get 5/16 and 1/4?
 

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yolo123 said:
Perfect, I will come back to it!
What about this problem? I solved the force values:
I get -(5/8)M^2G/r^2 for the first attraction of the big mass and M^2G/(2r^2) for the attraction of the small mass.

Where did they get 5/16 and 1/4?
They merely used proportions.

Gravitational force is directly proportional to mass & inversely proportional to the square of distance.

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Ok perfect!

Coming back to the previous question:
Would the equation for M be:

-T+Fpush-n=Ma?

Why is there a T? :O Is the pulley not frictionless?
 
yolo123 said:
Ok perfect!

Coming back to the previous question:
Would the equation for M be:

-T+Fpush-n=Ma?

Why is there a T? :O Is the pulley not frictionless?

Yes, the equation is
-T+Fpush-n=Ma .​
Furthermore, T = m1a as well as m2 g .

Also, n = m2a .

Plugging those into -T+Fpush-n=Ma and solving for Fpush gives
Fpush = (M + m1 + m2)a​
in agreement with the book.

Yes, the pulley is frictionless, but there is thension T to the left on it an tension T downward on it. Both of these are transmitted to block M.
 

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