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The problem involves a particle's motion described by its initial position and a time-dependent velocity function. The objective is to determine the distance from the origin after a specified time, raising questions about the correct application of kinematic principles and integration.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between distance and displacement, with one suggesting a direct multiplication of velocity by time, while others emphasize the need for integration to find the correct position function. There is also a focus on the importance of initial conditions in determining the final displacement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying misunderstandings about the concepts of distance and displacement. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to integrate the velocity function, and there is recognition of the role of initial position in the final calculations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of distance versus displacement, and the necessity of including a constant of integration that represents the initial position of the particle.

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Problem:
A particle starts moving from the position
r= -2i+j

with its velocity given as a function of time, t, as

v=(5t^2)i+2j
.
What is the distance of the particle from the origin at time t = 10 s?

The i's a j's both have hats if that makes any difference.

My attempt:
distance = velocity x time
so multiply the v equation by t and then subsitute 10s into it.
This will give the distance traveled in both the x and y direction add these values to the values given in the first equation.
So (5t^2)*t + t*2j

then sub in 10 and add the i and j values to their respective values in the first equation to find the final displacement.

I'm unsure if this is correct or not.
 
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Ry122 said:
distance = velocity x time

No, "displacement", not "distance" equals velocity x time, and even that is only true in the case of constant velocity.

Instead, you will want to integrate the velocity to get the position as a function of time, and then determine the distance from the origin at a given time by using the usual formula for the distance between 2 points.

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is this not exactly what you're telling me to do?
(5t^2)*t + t*2j
 
Ry122 said:
is this not exactly what you're telling me to do?
(5t^2)*t + t*2j

No, do you know how to integrate?
 
Sorry didn't read what you first said properly.
So once the integral is found, and the equation becomes something which represents the displacement of the object, can't I just sub 10 into this equation and then add -2i and 1j to the resulting i and j values?
 
Ry122 said:
Sorry didn't read what you first said properly.
So once the integral is found, and the equation becomes something which represents the displacement of the object, can't I just sub 10 into this equation and then add -2i and 1j to the resulting i and j values?


Sort of, your integration (like any integration) will have a constant on the end. In this case, the constant will be a vector and equal to the initial position of the particle:

[tex]\int_0^t \textbf{v}(t')dt' = \int_0^t \frac{d\textbf{r}(t')}{dt'}dt' = \textbf{r}(t)-\textbf{r}(0)[/tex]
 

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