E & B Field Oscillation with Time Dilation: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between time dilation and the oscillation of electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields in the context of light and objects approaching the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical implications and misunderstandings regarding the nature of time, light, and electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jake questions how light can oscillate its E and B fields if time slows down for objects approaching the speed of light, suggesting a potential relationship between the direction of travel and time dilation.
  • Some participants clarify that for objects with nonzero rest mass, time dilation is an effect observed by others, not by the object itself.
  • It is noted that for light, which has zero rest mass, the concept of proper time does not apply, complicating the understanding of changes along its path.
  • One participant emphasizes that nothing experiences time dilation; it is always relative to an observer's perspective, and speed is the critical factor.
  • There is a distinction made between electromagnetic fields and mechanical waves, indicating that E and B fields oscillate sinusoidally without displacement of the medium.
  • Another participant asserts that the changes in the E and B fields are intrinsic to light itself, rather than separate phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of time dilation and the nature of electromagnetic fields, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the nature of time and its relation to mass, as well as the distinction between electromagnetic field behavior and classical wave behavior. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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If time for something approaching the speed of light will slow down and approach zero, then how is it that light itself can exhibit changes - the oscillation of the E and B fields? Is it because those fields are perpendicular to the direction of light travel? If so, then something other than light, which is approaching the speed of light, would not experience time dilation in parts of its system moving perpendicular to the general direction of travel? At what speed do the E and B fields oscillate?

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Jake
 
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jaketodd said:
If time for something approaching the speed of light will slow down and approach zero, then how is it that light itself can exhibit changes

There are two misunderstandings here.

First, for an object that has nonzero rest mass, the object itself does not feel any "slowing of time" regardless of its speed relative to other objects. Other objects will see that object's time appear to slow down, but the object itself does not.

Second, for light, with zero rest mass, the concept of "time" (more precisely, "proper time") doesn't even make sense to begin with, and can't be used at all to determine whether things can change along the path through spacetime that the light takes.

The rest of your post just builds on these misunderstandings.
 
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jaketodd said:
If so, then something other than light, which is approaching the speed of light, would not experience time dilation in parts of its system moving perpendicular to the general direction of travel?
Just to reiterate Peter's comment here, nothing ever experiences time dilation. It's always something that happens to someone else. But it's only the speed that matters. A clock zig zagging at 0.9c (so only doing about 0.64c straightline speed if the zig zags are at 45° to direction of travel) relative to me will tick (according to me) at the same rate as a clock moving in a straight line at 0.9c relative to me.
jaketodd said:
At what speed do the E and B fields oscillate?
Electromagnetic fields are not like water waves - nothing is displaced. The electromagnetic field changes sinusoidally, and the field vectors are perpendicular to the direction of travel, but nothing moves perpendicular to the wave.
 
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jaketodd said:
... light itself can exhibit changes - the oscillation of the E and B fields?
The propagating changes of the E and B fields are not changes of light, they are just light.
 
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