E-M Waves Detail: Proof of Interdependancy of Plane Waves E & B

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between electric (E) and magnetic (B) plane waves as described by Maxwell's equations. It highlights that given an electric plane wave, the corresponding magnetic wave must satisfy specific conditions, such as being in phase and mutually perpendicular to E and the wave vector k. The conversation emphasizes the need to demonstrate that Maxwell's equations imply the form of B when E is known, rather than simply showing that B satisfies the equations. Additionally, it mentions the importance of the divergence conditions and the relationship between E and B in the context of spatially confined systems of charges. The key takeaway is that E and B are interdependent solutions to the wave equations under defined criteria.
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Basically, my book (Modern Optics by Robert Guenther) presents the "proof" of the interdependancy of the plane waves E and B as follow:

Suppose \vec{E} is an electric plane wave:

\vec{E} = \vec{E_0}e^{i(\omega t - \vec{k}\cdot \vec{r}+ \phi)}.

Then we find that

\frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t}=i\omega \vec{E}.

And if \vec{B} is a plane wave in-phase with \vec{E}, such as

\vec{B} = \vec{B_0}e^{i(\omega t - \vec{k}\cdot \vec{r}+ \phi)},

then

\vec{\nabla}\times \vec{B} = -i\vec{k}\times \vec{B}.

And thus, given \vec{E} a plane wave, \vec{B} a plane in-phase satify the Maxwell equation

\vec{\nabla}\times \vec{B} = \mu\epsilon \frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t}

under the simple condition that E_0 = cB_0 but what tells me that given \vec{E} a plane wave, this the only solution? It's this little detail that bugs me.
 
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If I understand your problem correctly. The author has shown the given solution for B satisfied Maxwell's equations. What you'd rather want is to show that, given E, Maxwell's equations imply that B must be of that form correct?
That is indeed the way I'd prefer it too. Since you are given \vec E(\vec r,t), Maxwell tells you that, in vacuum:
\vec \nabla \cdot E =0
\vec \nabla \cdot \vec B=0
\vec \nabla \times \vec B=\frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial \vec E}{\partial t}
\vec \nabla \times \vec E=-\frac{\partial \vec B}{\partial t}

Just use these to see how the plane wave looks like. It'll give you a set of interdependent equations. The plane wave satisfies Maxwell's equations only under certain conditions. The first for example (divergence of E vanishes) tells you that k is perpendicular to E. Using the others you can show that B and E are in phase and mutually perpendicular. Give it a shot.

Hint: Not neccessary, but for simplicity, choose your axes so that E is point in the x direction and k in the z direction. No loss of generality there after you've shown that k and E are perpendicular.
 
On a related note, one can demonstrate fairly generally that the electric and magnetic fields of a spatially confined system of charges and currents satisfy \vec{B} = \hat{n}\times \vec{E} in the so called "radiation zone" far away from the charges. One way to do so is to use the retarded potentials in the Lorentz gauge and calculate the leading contribution to the fields at large distances (this is the 1/r radiation field). After a little playing around, you can find the above relation without too much trouble. You have to use conservation of charge at one point in the calculation, so you do need to be careful with the retarded time in your calculation.
 
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Nevermind, I guess my question doesn't make sense.
E plane and B plane are acceptable solutions of the wave equations provided they meet the criterions

i) |E|/|B| = c/n
ii) E, B and k are mutually perpendicular
iii) E and B are in phase

That's all there is to it
 
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