Effect of air on condensing steam heat tranfer coefficient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the prediction of the steam side heat transfer coefficient in a cooling system that utilizes evaporation and condensation of water. Participants explore the effects of air removal on heat transfer, particularly in a tube and shell heat exchanger context, and seek empirical correlations to model these changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is developing a model to predict cooling and is concerned about the steam side heat transfer coefficient as air is evacuated, noting that air significantly lowers this coefficient.
  • Another participant suggests that since energy transfer is primarily due to condensation, the heat transfer coefficient might be ignored in favor of measuring condensate flow rate.
  • The original poster counters that the mathematical model requires an estimate of the heat transfer coefficient to calculate the outlet temperature, indicating the need for an empirical correlation to adjust the U value over time as air is removed.
  • Links to external resources are provided, including articles and studies related to steam-air mixtures and their effects on heat transfer.
  • A later reply expresses that while various articles discuss the topic, none provide a suitable empirical correlation for a horizontal tube and shell heat exchanger, leading to the conclusion that experiments may be necessary to derive an approximation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to estimate the heat transfer coefficient, with differing opinions on whether it can be ignored or must be calculated. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of empirical correlations applicable to the specific system described.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in existing literature, noting a lack of empirical correlations specifically tailored for the conditions of a horizontal tube and shell heat exchanger. The discussion highlights the dependence on experimental data to refine the model.

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I am working on a model for predicting cooling in a system that evacuates a vessel and cools by evaporation of water and the water vapor is condensed in a tube and shell heat exchanger. My concern is the prediction of the steam side heat transfer coefficient as the air is removed from the system and the steam becomes the dominant gas. The heat transfer coefficient is lowered dramatically by air but I do know have an empirical correlation predicting steam side U values as a function of non-condensable gas fraction. Does anybody know of a correlation for this situation?
 
Welcome to PF, sorry I didn't see this sooner...

Since all of the energy transferred is manifest from the condensation of water, can't you ignore the heat transfer coefficient and just measure the condensate flow rate?
 
I wish I could. The mathematical model needs to calculate a water out temperature from the equation that says the Q calculated by the U value, area, and log mean temperature difference is equal to the Q gained by the water from flow rate, heat capacity and delta T. Since T out is inside a log function, I must use goal seek in the spreadsheet to find the number. I have to have an estimate of the U value and it starts essentially nothing with it is all air to whatever U value I would have with the vapors carrying the air that arrives from leakage into the vessel. I am hoping that someone knows of an empirical correlation that might allow the adjustment of the U value over the time it takes to draw out the air and reach the final temperature. It may end up that I have to run the actual tests and generate my own correlation as so far the request has drawn a blank.

Dave
 
Thanks for the additional links. The third one was informative as it offers the effect is exponential. There are a variety of articles found on google scholar that deal with the topic but none give an empirical correlation that should apply to a horizontal tube and shell heat exchanger. I am afraid that I am just going to have to run the experiments to get an approximation for the equipment to be used.
 

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