Effects of a Change of Direction of the Rotation of the Earth?

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The discussion explores the hypothetical effects and consequences of the Earth rotating about its axis in a North-South direction instead of its current East-West rotation. Participants consider various implications related to sunlight distribution, seasonal changes, and climatic conditions, while maintaining the same orbital characteristics around the sun.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a North-South rotation would lead to substantially more severe seasons.
  • Others elaborate that if the axial tilt remains fixed relative to the stars, regions near the poles would experience extreme variations in sunlight, with potential for 6 months of continuous daylight or darkness.
  • A participant describes how the equivalent of current Arctic and Antarctic circles would shift to the equator, eliminating temperate zones.
  • Some argue that the equatorial regions would maintain 12 hours of day and night, but with varying sun angles throughout the year, leading to different insolation patterns.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications for weather patterns, including drastic trade winds and storm activity due to temperature differences between the poles.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for living conditions near the equator versus the poles, with some expressing a preference for the equator due to more moderate temperature variations.
  • Participants question the mechanics of seasonal changes at the equator, particularly regarding the concept of having two summers and two winters each year.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the consequences of a North-South rotation, particularly regarding seasonal effects and insolation patterns. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on the specifics of these effects.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the fixed axial tilt and the nature of solar insolation, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also highlights the complexity of weather patterns and their dependence on the proposed changes in Earth's rotation.

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What if the Earth rotated about its axis in a N-S direction instead of doing so in an E-W direction.
Summary: What if the Earth rotated about its axis in a N-S direction instead of doing so in an E-W direction.

Hi,
Just curious:
What would be the effects/consequences if the Earth rotated about its axis in a North-South ( or South-North) direction instead of an East-West one as it currently does, and at the same rate, i.e., with a period of around 24hrs( while keeping the same rotation about the sun unchanged)s? I can only think of sunlight being spread constantly in horizontal sections instead of vertical ones. I assume the present EW rotation has to see with the effect of other planets' gravity and otherwise. Any other condequences? I have just a basic undergrad understanding of Physics , Earth sciences.
 
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Substantially more severe seasons.
 
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russ_watters said:
Substantially more severe seasons.
Could you please elaborate? Cant see a connection.
 
WWGD said:
Could you please elaborate? Cant see a connection.
You want the axis still fixed relative to the stars, right? So on Jun 21 it points toward the sun and Dec 21 it points away from the sun? That moves the arctic/Antarctic circles to the equator an means from 1 day to 6 months of sunlight during summer (depending on latitude) and vice versa for winter. In Philadelphia when the sun would rise one day in May (estimate) it would then next set in August. That would make for a hot summer.
 
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As already mentioned, greater variance in seasons would be a result.

In the diagram below the top image is what things are like in the present. The rotational axis is the the arrow passing the green sphere ( Earth) as it orbits the Sun, The Earth is shown at opposite sides of its orbit around the Sun. Winter is on the left, summer on the right.
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The bottom image is what would happen if you tip the rotational axis by 90 degrees, During summer, the region near one pole would have the Sun almost directly overhead. The equivalent of our present Arctic and Antarctic circles would extend all the way down to what we now consider the Tropics.
At present, the regions between the Tropics (~23 degrees North-South of the Equator) and the above mentioned circles are known as the Temperate Zones. On an Earth with such a severe axial tilt, there would be no temperate zones by this definition.
 
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For practical purpose Uranus is like that. It takes 84 years for Uranus to complete one rotation around the Sun, where as its axis has a near parallel tilt for 97.77 degress with its ecliptic. So, the effect is 42 years summer and 42 years winter on most of the places.

So, extending that to our Earth, we would have 6month of summer and winter. Now, we could find 6months summer/winter only on the two Poles. But, if the axial tilt is 90 degree, there would be 6 months of summer and winter in most of the places.
 
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If that was my earth, I would want to live nearer the equator than the poles, where it alternates from being barbequed to freeze dried. At least nearer the equator the summers might not be too hot nor the winters too cold, of course referring sunlight hours only, and not weather patterns of which I know not.
 
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On the poles you get a 6 month night with and a six month day, with at midsummer a 24-hour insolation more than 2x as big as what you now get in the tropics.
On the equator however, you get 2 summers and two winters each year. When it is summer on the north or south pole the sun is just at the horizon at the equator, and the insolation per square meter is essentially 0 at these times. At 21 March or September, you will get a normal day on the equator, just the same as you get now, with the sun directly overhead at noon.
There's actually a point between the equator and the poles where the summer insolation is the same at 21 march, 21 june, and 21 september, so you get a really long summer, with the same average insolation for a six month stretch. For a few months you get a 24 hour day, but the sun will be so low in the sky that it won't be hotter than at the start of spring/autumn.
In the winter there will still be a few months of darkness.
 
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I did not get how you have 2 summers/winters each year on the equator. On each day except both solstice, there would be 12 hours day/night on the equator. On the day of solstice, the Sun would be rotating around you through the horizon.

willem2 said:
On the poles you get a 6 month night with and a six month day, with at midsummer a 24-hour insolation more than 2x as big as what you now get in the tropics.
On the equator however, you get 2 summers and two winters each year. When it is summer on the north or south pole the sun is just at the horizon at the equator, and the insolation per square meter is essentially 0 at these times. At 21 March or September, you will get a normal day on the equator, just the same as you get now, with the sun directly overhead at noon.
There's actually a point between the equator and the poles where the summer insolation is the same at 21 march, 21 june, and 21 september, so you get a really long summer, with the same average insolation for a six month stretch. For a few months you get a 24 hour day, but the sun will be so low in the sky that it won't be hotter than at the start of spring/autumn.
In the winter there will still be a few months of darkness.
 
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Anand Sivaram said:
I did not get how you have 2 summers/winters each year on the equator. On each day except both solstice, there would be 12 hours day/night on the equator. On the day of solstice, the Sun would be rotating around you through the horizon.
At both the summer and winter solstices the sun will be on the horizon all day. How many watts per square meter do you think that is? Just a tiny bit, if the sun was a point source it would be 0.
At N days from the solstice you have 12 hour days, but the maximum altitude of the sun above the horizon would be N*360/365 degrees. If N is small averagge insolation will be smaller than P*sin(360N/365)/2 where P is solar power with the sun directly overhead. For small N this will be much lower than the average solar power over the entire surface of the Earth of P/4.
 
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@willem2: The equatorial regions (defined based on the new axis) will still have 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night all the time. Twice per year the Sun is quite high in the sky (directly overhead at the equinoxes), twice per year it is only up to 23.5 degrees up in the sky. In between you get something in between.
This is very similar to the equatorial regions now already, just the minimal angle is much lower now.
 
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256bits said:
If that was my earth, I would want to live nearer the equator than the poles, where it alternates from being barbequed to freeze dried. At least nearer the equator the summers might not be too hot nor the winters too cold, of course referring sunlight hours only, and not weather patterns of which I know not.

Frequently quite windy though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_winds#Cause
The trade winds on such a planet would be drastic, especially at the time of year when temperatures at the poles were swapping. A lot of water would be released on the melting side and trapped on the cooling side, so storms would also be quite drastic.
 
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