Efficiency of a cycle in TS diagram

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The discussion revolves around determining the efficiency of a thermodynamic cycle represented in a temperature-entropy (TS) diagram. The original poster presents a problem involving a working substance undergoing a cycle where the absolute temperature varies, and they seek to find the cycle's efficiency using relevant thermodynamic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different interpretations of the area under the curve in the TS diagram, questioning whether it represents a triangle or a trapezium. There are discussions about calculating heat inputs and outputs, with some participants suggesting alternative methods to find work done during the cycle.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative viewpoints. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between heat and work in a complete cycle, but there is still uncertainty about specific calculations and interpretations of the diagram.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the shape of the area representing heat and work, indicating a lack of clarity in the diagram's representation. There are also references to the original problem's constraints and the need for further information to clarify calculations.

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Homework Statement


A working substance goes through a cycle within which the absolute temperature varies n-fold, and the shape of the cycle is
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where T is the absolute temperature, and S the entropy. Find the efficiency cycle.

Homework Equations



\frac{\delta Q_R}{T}=dS, \eta=1-\frac{|Q_{out}|}{Q_{in}}


The Attempt at a Solution



The total heat is Q=\int T dS, that is the area of the surface in the picture. I could just say: it's a triangle so I'll use the formula for the triangle surface:
P=\frac{1}{2}ab.

The Q_{in} is easy to calculate:Q_{in}=T_0\int_{S_0}^{S_1}dS=T_0(S_1-S_0).

But how do I get the Q_{out}? The temperature changes. I have found in solution (without explanation) that the answer is:

Q_{out}=\frac{1}{2}(T_0+T_1)(S_1-S_0), but why T_0+T_1? and where does that 1/2 comes from? The triangle area formula? :\
 
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No, it's trapezium's area.
But why don't you look at it another way? The "total heat" you calculated is actually work done A! And for a cycle: A = Q_{in} - |Q_{out}|. So instead of doing an integration or wondering it's triangle or something else, just calculate a simple sum.
 
hikaru1221 said:
No, it's trapezium's area.
But why don't you look at it another way? The "total heat" you calculated is actually work done A! And for a cycle: A = Q_{in} - |Q_{out}|. So instead of doing an integration or wondering it's triangle or something else, just calculate a simple sum.


Ummm it's triangle :D

I don't get it how to calculate the sum when I don't have the work :\ A=W=pdV right? 1-2 is isotherm, 2-3 is isenthalp (no Q) and 3-1 is sth I don't know :D I could say that its a line with slope k, which is not that hard to calculate, but I don't have the y-intercept (T in my graph)...
 
Eek, if you rotate your diagram 90 degrees, you will see a trapezium.
And again, the "total heat" you got is the work A. It's a complete cycle, so \Delta U = 0.
 
hikaru1221 said:
Eek, if you rotate your diagram 90 degrees, you will see a trapezium.
And again, the "total heat" you got is the work A. It's a complete cycle, so \Delta U = 0.

Maybe you cannot see it from my drawing, but it is a triangle, it's such in the original form. There's just no way to make it into trapezium. But that aside, I still don't see how to calculate work XD
 
The trapezium corresponds to Q_{out}. The formula you got for Q_{out} is the trapezium's area. See the area you need to calculate? Rotate it 90 degrees.

For a complete cycle: \Delta U = Q_{total} - A = 0. You see?
 
I get it now, the area UNDER 3-1 line is Q_{out}! And that is trapezium. I didn't understand that XD Thnx anyhow :D
 

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