Efficiency of a steam power plant

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of a steam power plant, specifically examining the relationship between different temperature reservoirs and the overall efficiency of the system. Participants explore how to calculate maximum efficiency using given temperatures and question the implications of combining efficiencies from different processes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss initial assumptions about efficiency calculations based on temperature values. There is a consideration of how multiple efficiencies interact and whether they can be summed or must be multiplied. Questions arise regarding the role of intermediate temperatures and the implications of combining efficiencies from different processes.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and calculations. Some have offered insights into how efficiencies should be combined, while others are questioning the assumptions and exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the topic.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of efficiency calculations in thermodynamic systems, including the potential confusion surrounding the role of intermediate temperatures and the nature of combining efficiencies. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of definitions and assumptions in the problem setup.

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Assess the thermodynamic maximum efficiency for a steam solar thermal power plant operating at 750K steam temperature. Assume ideal concentration and negligible optical and insulation losses. Assume that the low temperature reservoir is at 300K and the sun is at 5600K. Calculate the thermodynamic maximum efficiency of the total system for a steam engine of 1/2 and 1/3 of the Carnot efficiency
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[tex]\eta = \frac{T_1-T_2}{T_1}[/tex]
My inital assumption was to just take T1 = 5600 and T2= 300K, find the maximum efficiency and then divide it by two and three but I don't believe this question to be that simple. I'm confused as to where the 750K fits in as I thought no matter what occurred in between the heat reservoir and heat sink, the efficiency would only depend on T1 and T2.
 
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I think you want to consider that the Sun makes the steam and the steam runs the machinery of the plant. So you have two efficiencies in tandem to consider.
 
Ah okay, so I would just take the sum of each efficiency for the total and then divide by 2 and 3?
 
TheBigDig said:
Ah okay, so I would just take the sum of each efficiency for the total ...
Nope. If process A is 60% efficient and process B is 50 % efficient the sum would be ... 110%? How do you think the overall efficiency works for two efficiencies in tandem? Should it be more than either one, in between the two or less than either one? Give the matter some thought.
 
kuruman said:
How do you think the overall efficiency works for two efficiencies in tandem? Should it be more than either one, in between the two or less than either one? Give the matter some thought.
I'm thinking it should be somewhere in between the two since one process is more efficient than the other. I've done a bit of further reading and found that total efficiencies are given by the product of component efficiencies. This gives me
\frac{5600-750}{5600}\times\frac{750-300}{750} \approx 52\%
So then by this calculation, \frac{\eta}{2} \approx 26\% \quad \frac{\eta}{3} \approx 17\%
I hope my reasoning is correct.

Source:https://www.e-education.psu.edu/egee102/node/1944
 
TheBigDig said:
I'm thinking it should be somewhere in between the two since one process is more efficient than the other.
Think again. Both efficiencies are less than unity. The combined efficiency is the product ##\eta_{comb.}=\eta_1 \times \eta_2.## Say ##\eta_2## is the smaller of the two efficiencies. Can ##\eta_{comb.}## be greater than ##\eta_2##?
 
Hey,
I was able to find some further information on the problem and I believe this to be the correct solution
\eta = \bigg(1-\big(\frac{T_{res}}{T_{Sun}}\big)^4\bigg)\bigg(1-\big(\frac{T_{sink}}{T_{res}}\big)\bigg) = 59\%.
This result is less than the individual efficiencies of each system
\eta_1 = 99\% \quad \eta_2 = 60\%
 

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