Eigenvalue Problem: Find All Eigen-Values & Eigen-Fns

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The discussion revolves around finding all eigenvalues and eigenfunctions for a boundary value problem defined by the differential equation $$x^2y''+xy'-\lambda y=0$$ with boundary conditions $$y(1)=y(e)=0$$. The subject area includes differential equations and eigenvalue problems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of substitutions made in the auxiliary equation and question the appropriateness of methods used for solving the differential equation. There is an exploration of the characteristic equation and the implications of assuming constant coefficients versus variable coefficients.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the nature of the differential equation and the implications of different solution forms. There are indications of confusion regarding methods, and some participants suggest reconsidering assumptions made in the initial approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted emphasis on the distinction between equations with constant coefficients and those with variable coefficients, which is central to the problem at hand. Participants are also addressing the correctness of the quadratic equation solution derived from the problem.

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Homework Statement



find all eigen-values and eigen-functions for the initial boundary value problem:

$$x^2y''+xy'-\lambda y=0$$
Boundary Conditions:
$$y(1)=y(e)=0$$

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



i just wanted to know if my substitution in the Auxiliary equation is valid or not, i don't see why not but it's not what the book had.

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You are confusing methods for two different types of differential equations.. l^2+ l- \lambda= 0 is the characteristic equation for the differential equation y''+ y'- \lambda= 0 with constant coefficients. This is an "equipotential equation" where each derivative is multiplied by x to a power equal to the degree of the derivative. It has a completely different characteristic equation.

Looking for a solution of the form y= Cx^n, y'= Cnx^{n-1} and y''= Cn(n- 1)x^{n-2}. Putting that into the equation gives x^2(n(n-1)Cx^{n-2})+ x(nCx^{n-1})- \lambda (Cx^n)= n(n-1)Cx^n+ nCx^n- \lambda Cn= (n(n- 1)+ n- \lambda)x^n= 0. In order for this to be 0 for all x, we must have n(n-1)+ n- \lambda= 0. That is the characteristic equation for this problem.

(Equivalently, the substitution t= ln(x) converts an "equipotential equation" in x to an equation with constant coefficients in t.)
 
Solution to quadratic equation is incorrect.
 
iScience said:

Homework Statement



find all eigen-values and eigen-functions for the initial boundary value problem:

$$x^2y''+xy'-\lambda y=0$$
Boundary Conditions:
$$y(1)=y(e)=0$$

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



i just wanted to know if my substitution in the Auxiliary equation is valid or not, i don't see why not but it's not what the book had.

r4iEBrk.png
As HallsofIvy has suggested: your auxiliary equation does not apply, because the LHS of your DE does not have constant coefficients. When they are functions of x, all bets are off. It is very important that you grasp this fact!
 
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It might help you to understand how you can tell what you tried doesn't work. In your approach, you're assuming the solution has the form ##y=e^{mx}## where ##m## is a constant. You are free, of course, to try this, but it could lead to non-sensical results. If it does, you have to find a different method of solving the equation.

If you had solved the resulting quadratic correctly, you should have gotten ##m x = -\frac 12 \pm \frac 12 \sqrt{1+4\lambda}##. Isolating ##m##, you find it depends on ##x## and is not a constant, but you had assumed it was a constant. You've reached a contradiction, which indicates that your initial assumption was not valid.
 

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