Eigenvectors/values and diff equations

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The discussion revolves around the higher order differential equation y'' + y = 0 and its transformation into a first order system. Participants are exploring the representation of this system using a matrix form and examining the implications of complex eigenvalues.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • One participant attempts to express the second-order equation as a first-order system and proposes a 2x2 matrix A. Another participant confirms this matrix and discusses the nature of its eigenvalues. A third participant seeks to find eigenvectors and compute a solution based on initial conditions, expressing uncertainty about the next steps.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes verification of the matrix representation and acknowledgment of complex eigenvalues. Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the implications of their findings. There is a clear exploration of different aspects of the problem, though no consensus has been reached on the next steps for the solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment that specifies finding eigenvectors and computing a solution based on initial conditions. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of complex eigenvalues in this context.

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Homework Statement


the higher order equation y'' + y = 0 can be written as a first order system by introducing y' as another unknown besides y:

Homework Equations


d[y y']t/dt = [y' y'']t = [y' -y]t

if this is du/dt = Au what is 2x2 matrix A?

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it's
[0 1]
[-1 0]
but then I get complex eigenvalues so I am a bit suspicious... could someone verify or help me out?
thanks.
 
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You are exactly correct. If you let x= dy/dt, then d2y/dt2= dx/dt+ y= 0 or dx/dt= -y so your two equations are dy/dt= x and dx/dt= -1. Letting Y(t)= (y(t) x(t))t, yes, your differential equation is
[tex]Y(t)= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & 1 \\ -1 & 0\end{array}\right]Y(t)[/tex]
and, yes, that has complex eigenvalues. Why does that bother you?
I notice that the problem only asks you to write the matrix equation, not to find the eigenvalues or solve the equation so I guess you will learn what complex eigenvalues mean in this situation later.
 
I'm trying to finish the very same problem. In addition to what is stated above, the problem says: "Find its eigenvectors, and compute the solution that starts from y(0), y'(0)=0."

I found the eigenvalues to be i and -i, and the eigenvectors to be
[1 -i]^T and [1 i]^T.

I wrote the solution to start as y(t)=(1/2)*e^it*[1 i]^T + (1/2)*e^-it*[1 -i]^T.

From there I don't know how to proceed. Any suggestions?
 
eit = cos(t) + isin(t)

Note that (1/2)(eit + e-it) = cos(t)
and that (1/(2i))(eit - e-it) = sin(t)
 

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