Einstein's STR is valid for systems that are not accelerating.

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The discussion centers around the validity of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity (SR) in relation to accelerating systems, particularly in contrast to General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of statements regarding SR's applicability and the historical context of these theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that SR is only valid for non-accelerating systems, suggesting that strong gravitational fields or accelerations may limit the theory.
  • Another participant argues that SR can handle objects with non-zero coordinate acceleration in an inertial frame and includes non-inertial coordinate systems, challenging the notion that SR is strictly limited to non-accelerating systems.
  • A historical perspective is provided, noting a shift in understanding SR as applicable to situations where gravitation can be ignored, while GR is viewed as a theory specifically addressing gravity and curved spacetime.
  • One participant points out that the grammatical structure of the statement does not necessarily imply that SR is invalid for accelerating systems, suggesting ambiguity in the original claim.
  • Further elaboration indicates confusion about the boundaries between SR and GR, with references to covariance principles and the mathematical formulation of the theories, suggesting that definitions may be influenced by their domain of applicability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the statement regarding SR's validity for accelerating systems. There is no consensus on whether SR is strictly limited to non-accelerating systems or if it can be applied in broader contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the definitions of SR and GR may depend on the context in which they are applied, particularly regarding the treatment of accelerating frames and the mathematical formulations of the theories.

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Hello,

I read this:

Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is valid for systems that are not accelerating.​

on this site: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/gravity.html

Honestly I cannot understand that.

I have read the famous Gravitation by Wheeler and "Classical theory of fields" by Landau, and I know some of the motivations for going to GR from SR. I can imagine that strong gravitational fields or strong accelerations are a limit to the theory. Or even that gravitation doesn't fit well in the STR.

But is that not a bit exagerated to say that:

Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is valid for systems that are not accelerating.​

What are the facts?

Thanks for your ideas.
 
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As long as we're talking about a flat spacetime (Minkowski space), then it's special relativity. SR can certainly handle objects that have a non-zero coordinate acceleration in an inertial frame, and it also includes coordinate systems that aren't inertial frames. It's possible to define a "crippled" version of SR that only allows inertial frames and no other coordinate systems, but that's not the theory that physicists in this century have in mind when they talk about special relativity (and even the "crippled" version of the theory can handle accelerating objects).
 
I think that historically, there's been a change in viewpoint and terminology. Originally people thought of SR as dealing only with inertial reference frames, with accelerated reference frames being part of GR as a "generalization" that also includes gravitation. Nowadays people think of SR as dealing with situations where gravitation can be ignored (flat spacetime), with GR being specifically a theory of gravity (curved spacetime).

I understand that sometimes it's convenient to use the mathematical tools of GR to work with accelerated reference frames, although they're not really necessary, as they are with gravitation.
 
Grammatically the statement that "Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is valid for systems that are not accelerating" does NOT say it is not valid for some or all accelerating systems.
 
That's a good point. The first statement certainly suggests the second, but it doesn't imply it. I still think it's a strange thing to say though.
 
To elaborate on jtbell's point:

There is some confusion about where SR ends an GR starts.
According to Wald, the prefixes stem from the respective covariance principle, where special covariance means same form in all inertial systems, and general covariance means same form in all coordinate systems.
In that sense, the theories are defined by their mathematical formulation and not by their domain of applicability. Even if SR can be used to predict measurements of an accelerated observer, it is by definition unable to handle accelerated coordinate systems.
IMHO, general covaiance is nowadays so deeply ingrained that the definition of a theory by the allowed coordinate transformations seems quite artificial to many people. That's why it is common to make the distinction according to the domain of applicability, and regard SR as the "subset" of GR that is valid for flat spacetime.
 

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