Electric Charge Problem with Unit Vectors.

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The discussion centers on solving the Electric Charge Problem involving three charged particles, specifically determining the positions along the x-axis where the electrostatic force on the third particle is minimized and maximized. The charges are defined as q1 = q2 = +3.40 x 10-19C and q3 = +6.40 x 10-19C, with particle 3 moving from x = 0 to x = +5.0 cm. The solution involves applying Coulomb's Law in vector form and calculating the resultant force on particle 3, leading to the identification of critical points through differentiation.

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Homework Statement



Electric Charge Problem with Unit Vectors.

20. In Fig. 21-29, particles 1 and 2 of charge q_{1} = q_{2} = +3.40{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}x{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}10^{-19}{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}C are on a y-axis at distance d = 17.0 cm from the origin. Particle 3 of charge q_{3} = +6.40{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}x{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}10^{-19}{\textcolor[rgb]{1.00,1.00,1.00}{.}}C is moved gradually along the x-axis from x = 0 to x = +5.0 cm. At what values of x will the magnitude of the electrostatic force on the third particle from the other two particles be
(a) minimum and
(b) maximum? What are the
(c) minimum and
(d) maximum magnitudes?

Figure 21-29,

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Homework Equations



Coulomb’s Law,

Vector Form:
<br /> \vec{F}_{12} = \frac{k_{e}q_{1}q_{2}}{{r_{12}}^2}\hat{r}_{21}<br />

Scalar Form:
<br /> |\vec{F}_{12}| = \frac{k_{e}|q_{1}||q_{2}|}{{r_{12}}^2}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



(a)

<br /> \Sigma \vec{F}_{3} = \vec{F}_{31} + \vec{F}_{32}<br />

<br /> \Sigma \vec{F}_{3} = \frac{k_{e}q_{3}q_{1}}{{r_{31}}^{2}}\hat{r}_{13} + \frac{k_{e}q_{3}q_{2}}{{r_{32}}^{2}}\hat{r}_{23}<br />

<br /> q_{1} = q_{2} = q<br />

<br /> r_{31} = r_{32} = r_{3} = \sqrt{{x}^{2} + {d}^{2}}<br />

<br /> \Sigma \vec{F}_{3} = \frac{k_{e}q_{3}\left(q\right)}{{\left(r_{3}\right)}^{2}}\hat{r}_{13} + \frac{k_{e}q_{3}\left(q\right)}{{ \left(r_{3}\right) }^{2}}\hat{r}_{23}<br />

<br /> \Sigma \vec{F}_{3} = \frac{k_{e}q_{3}q}{{\left(\sqrt{{x}^{2}+{d}^{2}}\right) }^{2}}\left(\hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23}\right)<br />

<br /> \Sigma \vec{F}_{3} = \frac{k_{e}q_{3}q}{{x}^{2}+{d}^{2}}\left(\hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23}\right)<br />

<br /> \left|\Sigma \vec{F}_{3}\right| = \left|\frac{k_{e}q_{3}q}{{x}^{2}+{d}^{2}}\right|\left|\left(\hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23}\right)\right| <br />

It is from here that I am stuck because I’m not sure exactly how to reduce the expression,

<br /> \left(\hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23}\right) = ?<br />

I recognize that these are unit vectors and therefore have a magnitude of one (1), however I am still not sure as to how I should proceed.

Do I treat the addition of these unit vectors as normal vectors, noting that the magnitude is one?

I thought of doing that and described my attempt below.

Let,

<br /> \hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23} = \vec{r}_{13} + \vec{r}_{23}<br />

And let,

<br /> \vec{r}_{13} + \vec{r}_{23} = \vec{r}_{3}<br />

Then,

<br /> \vec{r}_{3} = \vec{r}_{3}_{x} + \vec{r}_{3}_{y} <br />

Where it is noted that \vec{r}_{3}_{y} = 0, because: \vec{r}_{13}_{y} and \vec{r}_{23}_{y}; cancel each other out.

So then,

<br /> \vec{r}_{3}_{x} = \vec{r}_{13}_{x} + \vec{r}_{23}_{x} <br />

<br /> {r}_{3}_{x}\hat{i} = {r}_{13}_{x}\hat{i} + {r}_{23}_{x}\hat{i} <br />

<br /> \left|{r}_{3}_{x}\right| = \left|{r}_{13}_{x} + {r}_{23}_{x}\right| <br />

<br /> \left|{r}_{3}_{x}\right| = \left|\left(+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right) + \left(+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)\right| <br />

<br /> \left|{r}_{3}_{x}\right| = \left|\sqrt{2}\right| <br />

And so therefore,

<br /> \vec{r}_{3} = \vec{r}_{3}_{x} + \vec{r}_{3}_{y} <br />

<br /> |\vec{r}_{3}| = \sqrt{{{r}_{3}_{x}}^{2} + {{r}_{3}_{y}}^{2}} <br />

<br /> |\vec{r}_{3}| = \sqrt{{{r}_{3}_{x}}^{2} + (0)} <br />

<br /> |\vec{r}_{3}| = \sqrt{{{r}_{3}_{x}}^{2}} <br />

<br /> |\vec{r}_{3}| = |{r}_{3}_{x}|<br />

<br /> |\vec{r}_{3}| = \sqrt{2}<br />

Placing, this back into the expression,

<br /> \left|\Sigma \vec{F}_{3}\right| = \left|\frac{k_{e}q_{3}q}{{x}^{2}+{d}^{2}}\right|\left|\left(\hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23}\right)\right| <br />

Does not yield me the correct book answer….what am I doing wrong?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

-PFStudent
 
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Everything is correct up to this point:
<br /> \left|{r}_{3}_{x}\right| = \left|{r}_{13}_{x} + {r}_{23}_{x}\right| <br />
<br /> \left|{r}_{3}_{x}\right| = \left|\left(+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right) + \left(+\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)\right| <br />
and your problem is you do not know how to find the x component of the vector...
You must know the magnitude of the x component in the unit[/color] vector is not a constant, although the magnitude of the unit[/color] vector is.

the x component of \hat{r_{13}} is
cos\theta = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+d^2}}
the x component of \hat{r_{23}} is the same,

so,
\left|{r}_{13}_{x} + {r}_{23}_{x}\right| = \frac{2x}{\sqrt{x^2+d^2}}

plug this in
<br /> \left|\Sigma \vec{F}_{3}\right| = \left|\frac{k_{e}q_{3}q}{{x}^{2}+{d}^{2}}\right|<br /> \left| \hat{r}_{13} + \hat{r}_{23} \right| <br />

to get the \left| \Sigma \vec{F}_{3}\right| in terms of x, then take its derivative with respect to x will yield its min/max value... :-p
 

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