Electric field a distance z above flat circular disk.

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field a distance above the center of a flat circular disk with a uniform surface charge. The original poster attempts to solve this problem using a method from Griffith's text, avoiding symmetry arguments and superposition principles.

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  • The original poster describes their approach using integrals and polar coordinates, expressing uncertainty about the evaluation of an integral involving the radial unit vector. Some participants question the treatment of the unit vector during integration, particularly regarding its constancy with respect to the integration variables.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the integration process, particularly the implications of treating the radial unit vector as constant or variable during different stages of integration. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical reasoning behind the original poster's concerns.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of integrating vector quantities in polar coordinates, specifically in the context of electric field calculations. The original poster's approach is constrained by their desire to avoid certain common methods, which adds to the complexity of their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Find the electric field a distance above the center of a flat circular disk of radius R, which carries a uniform surface charge σ.

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Basically, I want to solve this usually trivial problem without using symmetry arguments and the superposition principle but rather the more laborious method introduced in Griffith's section 2.1. Hence:

[itex]\vec{E(r)} = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int\frac{\sigma(r)}{r'^2}\hat{r'}da[/itex]

Where [itex]\hat{r'} = \frac{z\hat{z} - r\hat{r}}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2}}[/itex] and [itex]r' = \sqrt{r^2 + z^2}[/itex], thus:

[itex]\vec{E(r)} = \frac{\sigma}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int\frac{z\hat{z} - r\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}da[/itex]

Converting to polar coordinates we have:
[itex]\vec{E(r)} = \frac{\sigma}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\iint\frac{z\hat{z} - r\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}rdrd\theta[/itex]

=> [itex]\frac{\sigma}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r\frac{z\hat{z} - r\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}rdrd\theta[/itex]
Which gives:
[itex]\frac{\sigma2\pi}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}[z\hat{z}\int_0^r\frac{r}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}dr - \int_0^r\frac{r^2\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}dr][/itex]

Evaluating the first integral gives me the correct answer for the electric field:
[itex]\frac{\sigma2\pi z}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}[- \frac{1}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2}}\Big|_0^r]\hat{z}[/itex]

Which means, the second integral must be zero: [itex]\int_0^r\frac{r^2\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}dr = 0[/itex]

Except I am not exactly sure on how to show that is the case. The radial unit vector seems to be the problematic term, and it cannot be simply taken outside the integral. Would like to have some help and insights on this, thanks.
 
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Go back and think about the ##\theta## integration in the expression $$\iint\frac{ r\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}rdrd\theta$$ Note that ##\hat{r}## is not a constant when integrating over ##\theta##.
 
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TSny said:
Go back and think about the ##\theta## integration in the expression $$\iint\frac{ r\hat{r}}{(z^2 + r^2)^{3/2}}rdrd\theta$$ Note that ##\hat{r}## is not a constant when integrating over ##\theta##.

Ah, I see. Thanks. Is then ##\hat{r}## a constant when integrating with respect to ##r## then?
 
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Yes. If you integrate over ##r## first, then you are keeping ##\theta## constant. So, the unit vector ##\hat{r}## has a fixed direction.
 
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