Electric field (at any point) due to a finite cylinder

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field due to a finite cylinder, with participants expressing confusion regarding the setup and the necessary parameters. The original poster is struggling to adapt known equations for finite spheres and infinite cylinders to this specific case.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to formulate the electric field equation and are questioning the relevance of certain variables, such as the azimuthal angle (∅) and the length of the cylinder. There is also a discussion about the appropriate volume element in cylindrical coordinates.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications and suggestions regarding the formulation of the electric field. There is a recognition of potential confusion in variable notation and the need for clearer definitions. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a graph that the original poster is unsure how to create, indicating a potential lack of clarity in visualizing the problem. The original question regarding the nature of the cylinder (uniformly charged or not) has not been fully addressed.

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Homework Statement




I'm not even attempting the graph yet, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to do this problem for a finite cylinder. All I've found in my notes is finite spheres and infinite cylinders.


Homework Equations


E=∫[ρdv]/4∏εR2] \hat{R}


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok here's what I've got so far:

E=(1C/(m^3))/(4∏ε) * ∫(ρ,∅,z)/[((1cm)^2)*√(ρ2+∅2+z2)]

Here's a few of my random thoughts on why this isn't done yet:
Is ∅ even needed in the integral? shouldn't ρ and z cover any point inside or outside of the cylinder?
Where the heck does the length l of the cylinder come in?
And finally, the dreaded graph: I think I could figure this one out if ∅ isn't relevant, but if it is, can someone describe how I'd draw that on the graph?


Thanks for all your help/time guys. I searched around on the forums and the net but I could only find people needing help with infinitely ling cylinders or needing the field at a point on the z-axis, not anywhere.
 
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The volume element in cylindrical coordinates is \rho d\rho d\phi dz and the distance is calculated by d^2=\rho^2+z^2.
 
ok soo..

Ok so this is what I've got now, let me know if I'm understanding you correctly:

E=[(1C/m3)(1cm)] / [4πε(1cm2)] * ∫(ρ,∅,z)/(ρ2+z2) *dρd∅dz

Is that correct? And do I still need the (ρ,∅,z) in the numerator? I guess I'm just confused about whether there should be a ∅ at all in my final equation or not.
 
You don't seem to have posted the original question. (Graph? What graph?).
Is it a uniformly charged solid cylinder?
You seem to have ρ meaning two things: charge density and radius in the XY plane. I suggest switching to r for the latter. The volume element is then, as Shyan posted, rdrdϕdz. You seem to have dropped the initial 'r'.
The field will clearly depend on ϕ. Might be easier to work with the potential first, since that won't depend on ϕ, then differentiate.
 

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