Electric field of a thick infinite non-conducting plate

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The problem involves an infinite non-conducting plate of thickness d situated in the xy-plane, with a charge density that varies with the z-coordinate. Participants are tasked with finding the electric field and potential in different regions relative to the plate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the charge distribution and its implications for the electric field and potential. There is a focus on applying Poisson's equation and the need for boundary conditions. Some participants suggest finding the electric field first before determining the potential.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to establish boundary conditions and the relationship between the electric field and potential. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of Gauss's Law and the need to treat different regions separately.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the requirement for two boundary conditions due to the second-order nature of the equations involved. There is mention of the complexity of the problem and the need to consider the electric field's behavior outside and inside the plate.

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Homework Statement


An infinite non-conducting plate of thickness ##d## lies in the ##xy## plane. The bottom surface of the plate lies in the plane ##z=0##. The charge density of the plate is ##\rho=\rho_0 z /d~,~\rho_0>0##.
Find the electric field in the regions ##z<0~~,~~0<z<d~~,~~z>d## and the potential (assume it's zero at ##z=0##).

Homework Equations


Poisson's equation ##{\displaystyle {\nabla }^{2}\varphi =-{\frac {\rho }{\varepsilon_0 }}}## and ##\vec{E}=-\operatorname{grad} \varphi##

The Attempt at a Solution


The charge distribution does not depend on ##x## or ##y## and the plate is symmetric therefore both the potential and the electric field can't depend on ##x## or ##y##. We know that ##\vec{E}=-\operatorname{grad} \varphi##. The Poisson's equation for the region inside the plate is
$$\frac{\partial^2 \varphi}{\partial z^2}=-\frac{\rho_0 z}{\varepsilon_0 d}$$
Assuming ##\varphi(z=0)=0## we obtain
$$\varphi(z)=C_1z-\frac{\rho_0 z^3}{6\varepsilon_0 d}~~~,~~~0<z<d$$
Poisson's equation for the region outside the plate
$$\frac{\partial^2 \varphi}{\partial z^2}=0$$
Therefore
$$\varphi(z)=C_2z$$
The potential must be continuous everywhere and particularly at ##z=d## so
$$C_2=C_1-\frac{\rho_0 d}{6\varepsilon_0}$$
In other words
$$\varphi(z)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
Cz-\frac{\rho_0 z^3}{6\varepsilon_0 d} & z\in(0,d)\\
Cz-\frac{\rho_0 dz}{6\varepsilon_0} & z\notin(0,d)
\end{matrix}\right.$$
But I can't figure out what other condition should I impose in order to obtain the last missing constant.
 
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gj2 said:

Homework Statement


An infinite non-conducting plate of thickness ##d## lies in the ##xy## plane. The bottom surface of the plate lies in the plane ##z=0##. The charge density of the plate is ##\rho=\rho_0 z /d~,~\rho_0>0##.
Find the electric field in the regions ##z<0~~,~~0<z<d~~,~~z>d## and the potential (assume it's zero at ##z=0##).

Homework Equations


Poisson's equation ##{\displaystyle {\nabla }^{2}\varphi =-{\frac {\rho }{\varepsilon_0 }}}## and ##\vec{E}=-\operatorname{grad} \varphi##

The Attempt at a Solution


The charge distribution does not depend on ##x## or ##y## and the plate is symmetric therefore both the potential and the electric field can't depend on ##x## or ##y##. We know that ##\vec{E}=-\operatorname{grad} \varphi##. The Poisson's equation for the region inside the plate is
$$\frac{\partial^2 \varphi}{\partial z^2}=-\frac{\rho_0 z}{\varepsilon_0 d}$$
Assuming ##\varphi(z=0)=0## we obtain
$$\varphi(z)=C_1z-\frac{\rho_0 z^3}{6\varepsilon_0 d}~~~,~~~0<z<d$$
Poisson's equation for the region outside the plate
$$\frac{\partial^2 \varphi}{\partial z^2}=0$$
Therefore
$$\varphi(z)=C_2z$$
The potential must be continuous everywhere and particularly at ##z=d## so
$$C_2=C_1-\frac{\rho_0 d}{6\varepsilon_0}$$
In other words
$$\varphi(z)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
Cz-\frac{\rho_0 z^3}{6\varepsilon_0 d} & z\in(0,d)\\
Cz-\frac{\rho_0 dz}{6\varepsilon_0} & z\notin(0,d)
\end{matrix}\right.$$
But I can't figure out what other condition should I impose in order to obtain the last missing constant.
For a second-order equation, you need to give two boundary conditions. What can they be?
Do not forget that the Poisson equation is derived from the original Maxwell equations, so you can use Gauss' Law.
 
If you are going to find ##\varphi## by integrating Poisson's equation, you have three separate regions to deal with. You cannot assume that the mathematical expression for ##\varphi(z)## when ##z>d## is the same as for when ##z<0##.

Adding a bit to ehild's hint, it might be easier to first find ##\mathbf{E}## and then use it to find ##\varphi(z)##.
 
ehild said:
For a second-order equation, you need to give two boundary conditions. What can they be?
Do not forget that the Poisson equation is derived from the original Maxwell equations, so you can use Gauss' Law.

TSny said:
If you are going to find ##\varphi## by integrating Poisson's equation, you have three separate regions to deal with. You cannot assume that the mathematical expression for ##\varphi(z)## when ##z>d## is the same as for when ##z<0##.

Adding a bit to ehild's hint, it might be easier to first find ##\mathbf{E}## and then use it to find ##\varphi(z)##.
Yes, thank you both. I realized beforehand that I did a mistake. In fact, it is much more complicated. But anyways I managed to solve it. In order to obtain the constants I used three things: 1) the fact that the electric field outside the plate is symmetrical w.r.t the plate (and not just constant) 2) Gauss law where the two bases of the Gaussian cylinder/box are outside the plate 3) Gauss law where one base is inside the plate and the other base outside it.
 

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