Electric Field problem ( with integral)

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The discussion revolves around an electric field problem involving integration, specifically integrating with respect to 'y' while treating 'x' as a constant. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the integration process and seeks clarification on how to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss treating 'x' as a constant during integration and suggest using calculus knowledge or a table of integrals. The original poster attempts a trigonometric substitution and presents their work, questioning the correctness of their approach.

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Some participants provide guidance on the integration process and confirm that the original poster's approach appears correct. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods and interpretations of the integral.

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The original poster notes differences in the limits of integration compared to a similar problem found online, which may influence the setup of the integral. There is also a mention of the specific context of finding the electric field at a point on the x-axis.

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This is from an example problem in my textbook.
Here's a link to a picture of the integral I'm having trouble with:
http://puu.sh/3ApyU.png

It shows the answer but I'm really not sure how they got there, or where to begin really. How do I integrate in terms of y with those x's in there? Any help would be appreciated.

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Guess it'd help if y'all could see the problem. I searched for it online and this is basically it:
http://puu.sh/3Aq4f.png

Only difference is this one's from 0 to a while mine is -a to a. Also, my question just reads "Find the electric field at point P on the x-axis at a distance x from the origin." I understand everything up to solving the integral for the x-component
 
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Treat 'x' as a constant. You are integrating with respect to 'y'. You should be able to find the integral using what you learned in calculus. If you have forgotten what you learned in calculus, then find a table of integrals and put the integral into a suitable form.
 
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SteamKing said:
Treat 'x' as a constant. You are integrating with respect to 'y'. You should be able to find the integral using what you learned in calculus. If you have forgotten what you learned in calculus, then find a table of integrals and put the integral into a suitable form.

Ok, I'm trying to use trig-sub but I'm not sure I'm doing it right:

I drew a triangle with y on the opposite end, x on the adjacent end, and √(x^2+y^2) as the hypotenuse.

With this, I have cosθ = x/√(x^2+y^2)

To make it match what's in the integrand, I put:

cos^3θ/x^2 = x^3/(x^2+y^2)

Now for the dy, I have tanθ = y/x, so y = xtanθ and dy = xsec^2θdθ

So now my integral looks like:

∫cosθ/x dθ | [-a,a]

(1/x)∫cosθdθ | [-a,a]

=(1/x)sinθ | [-a,a]

Subbing back in for sinθ:

= y/x√(x^2+y^2) | [-a, a]

= a/x√(x^2+a^2) - (-a/x√(x^2+a^2))

= 2a/x√(x^2+a^2)

Is this correct so far? Or did I mess up somewhere?
 
The integral is of the form
[tex]\int \mathrm{d} x f'(x) F[f(x)].[/tex]
The standard substitution for such cases is
[tex]u=f(x), \quad \mathrm{d} u=\mathrm{d} x f'(x).[/tex]
This leads to
[tex]\int \mathrm{d} u F(u).[/tex]
 
izelkay said:
Now for the dy, I have tanθ = y/x, so y = xtanθ and dy = xsec^2θdθ

So now my integral looks like:

∫cosθ/x dθ | [-a,a]

(1/x)∫cosθdθ | [-a,a]

=(1/x)sinθ | [-a,a]

Subbing back in for sinθ:

= y/x√(x^2+y^2) | [-a, a]

= a/x√(x^2+a^2) - (-a/x√(x^2+a^2))

= 2a/x√(x^2+a^2)

Is this correct so far? Or did I mess up somewhere?

It looks correct.

ehild
 
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