Electric filed physics problem. Help

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to electric fields, specifically focusing on the Earth's electric field and its effects on charged particles. The original poster presents a series of questions about calculating net electric charge, electrostatic potential, acceleration of a proton, and charge-to-mass ratio, while seeking verification of their initial calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric and gravitational forces acting on a proton, questioning how these forces interact and affect the proton's motion. They discuss the calculations for acceleration and the charge-to-mass ratio, while some express confusion about the conditions for a particle to hover in an electric field.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces involved and their implications for the problem, particularly regarding the conditions for hovering and the relationships between electric and gravitational forces.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the forces acting on charged particles in an electric field, particularly the need to consider both electric and gravitational forces when determining the conditions for hovering. There is also a mention of needing to calculate the capacitance of the Earth for further energy-related questions.

  • #31
Hint: Write U as U = 1/2 (CV) V and recall that CV = Q for a capacitor. So, you can express U in terms of Q and V (which you have already calculated) and you won't need a value for C.

Or, you could use Q = CV to find C and then plug into your equation.
 
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  • #32


Hint: If you want to find the acceleration, you use Newton's second law.
 
  • #33


Okay Thanks! I found acceleration can you reassure my answer?
so F=ma and E=F/q I substitute and get a= Eq/m and with the numbers plugged in I get:
a= (-150N/C)(1.602*10^-19 Nm^2/C^2) / (1.67*10^-27 kg)
a= -1.44*10^10 m/s^2

for charge to mass ratio I used E=ma/q rearrange to get q/m= a/E. Plug in the numbers of a and E, (-1.44*10^10m/s^2)/ (-150N/C) = q/m answer is -0.0654 kq/C

Another question is how would I find the total energy associated with electrical field of the Earth if the Earth is like a charged capacitor? Would I use U=1/2CV^2 ?

thanks
 
  • #34


You didn't do part 4 correctly. What are the forces on the particle and what is its acceleration if it's hovering?

If you're considering the Earth a capacitor, then yes, you can use that formula. You'll need to figure out the capacitance of the Earth.
 
  • #35


I don't understand the hovering part, would it be the gravitational force 9.81? what would I do then?
 
  • #36


Vela. I'm really confused I've been working on this for hours. I know that the gravitational and electric force have to cancel in order for the particle to be hovering.how would another force be included in the equation q/m=a/E ? or am i using the wrong equation?
 
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sept26bc said:
Vela. I'm really confused I've been working on this for hours. I know that the gravitational and electric force have to cancel in order for the particle to be hovering.how would another force be included in the equation q/m=a/E ? or am i using the wrong equation?

So, you need \displaystyle \frac{|F_\text{electric}|}{|F_\text{gravity}|}=1\ . Correct?

How is \displaystyle |F_\text{electric}| related to E and \displaystyle |F_\text{gravity}| related to g ?
 
  • #38


well F=ma and E=F/q so E= ma/q

|Felectric| is related to E by E=F/q
and |Fgravity| related to g by F=ma

correct?

im not understanding why you have Felectric/ Fgravity=1
 
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sept26bc said:
well F=ma and E=F/q so E= ma/q

|Felectric| is related to E by E=F/q
and |Fgravity| related to g by F=ma

correct?

im not understanding why you have Felectric/ Fgravity=1
If the particle hovers, what is its acceleration?
 
  • #40


the acceleration would be zero because its not moving.
 
  • #41
So you know there are two forces on the particle, the force of gravity ##\vec{F}_g## and the electric force ##\vec{F}_E##. You also know the acceleration is 0 because it's not moving.

What is the magnitude of ##\vec{F}_g##? What is the magnitude of ##\vec{F}_E##?

Now take all that info and use Newton's second law, which is ##\sum \vec{F} = ma##. What do you get?
 

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