Electric flux through a square lamina

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric flux through a square lamina using a double integral approach. The original poster attempts to evaluate the integral but questions where their evaluation may have gone wrong, given a discrepancy between their result and the expected answer.

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of a double integral for electric flux, with the original poster expressing confusion over their result compared to the expected answer. Some participants suggest checking the equality of the two results and ensuring the calculator is set to the correct mode. Hints are provided to simplify the working, including leveraging symmetry and reconsidering variable choices.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions to help the original poster identify potential errors in their calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered to explore the problem further.

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Participants note the importance of checking assumptions about the integration limits and the use of symbols in the equations, indicating potential areas of confusion or error in the original poster's approach.

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Homework Statement
find the electric flux through a square sheet of side length ##a## due to a charge ##q## placed a distance ##a## away from the centre of the square.
Relevant Equations
##\phi = \int \vec E.\vec{da}##
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taking origin at the centre of the square.
##d\phi = \vec E.\vec{da}##
$$d\phi = \frac {kqa}{(x^2 + y^2 + a^2)^{3/2}} da$$
$$\phi = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\frac{kqa}{(x^2+y^2+a^2)^{3/2}}(dx)(dy)$$
on evaluating this double integral i get $$\phi = (q/\pi{\varepsilon}_0 )(tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{6}}))$$
the correct answer is supposed to be:
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where am I going wrong?:oldconfused:
 
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Check to see if your answer and the given answer are actually equal to one another.
 
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TSny said:
Check to see if your answer and the given answer are actually equal to one another.
I used a calculator and they are not equal :H
 
Make sure your calculator is in radian mode.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$\phi = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\frac{kqa}{(x^2+y^2+a^2)^{3/2}}(dx)(dy)$$
on evaluating this double integral i get $$\phi = (q/\pi{\varepsilon}_0 )(tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{6}}))$$
the correct answer is supposed to be:
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where am I going wrong?:oldconfused:
Your double integral for ##\phi## looks OK. But there is no way to tell where (or even if) you are 'going wrong' evaluating the double integral without seeing all the detailed working.

A couple of hints which can help simplify the working:

- because of the symmetry, you can just find the flux through one quadrant of the square and multiply this by 4: the integration limits become simpler (from 0 to a/2);

- without loss of generality you can choose any value for length 'a' (I'll let you think about why!);

The working might then be simplified enough for you to spot any error(s) more easily.

By the way, using the same symbol ('a') for both length and area is not a good idea!
 

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