Electric flux through a square lamina

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric flux through a square lamina by evaluating a double integral. The user arrives at a result involving the arctangent function but finds it does not match the expected answer. Suggestions are made to simplify the evaluation by taking advantage of symmetry, allowing the integration limits to be adjusted. Additionally, the importance of using distinct symbols for different variables is highlighted to avoid confusion. The conversation emphasizes the need for careful checking of calculations and assumptions in the integral evaluation process.
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Homework Statement
find the electric flux through a square sheet of side length ##a## due to a charge ##q## placed a distance ##a## away from the centre of the square.
Relevant Equations
##\phi = \int \vec E.\vec{da}##
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taking origin at the centre of the square.
##d\phi = \vec E.\vec{da}##
$$d\phi = \frac {kqa}{(x^2 + y^2 + a^2)^{3/2}} da$$
$$\phi = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\frac{kqa}{(x^2+y^2+a^2)^{3/2}}(dx)(dy)$$
on evaluating this double integral i get $$\phi = (q/\pi{\varepsilon}_0 )(tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{6}}))$$
the correct answer is supposed to be:
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where am I going wrong?:oldconfused:
 
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Check to see if your answer and the given answer are actually equal to one another.
 
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TSny said:
Check to see if your answer and the given answer are actually equal to one another.
I used a calculator and they are not equal :H
 
Make sure your calculator is in radian mode.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$\phi = \int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\int_{-a/2}^{a/2}\frac{kqa}{(x^2+y^2+a^2)^{3/2}}(dx)(dy)$$
on evaluating this double integral i get $$\phi = (q/\pi{\varepsilon}_0 )(tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{6}}))$$
the correct answer is supposed to be:
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where am I going wrong?:oldconfused:
Your double integral for ##\phi## looks OK. But there is no way to tell where (or even if) you are 'going wrong' evaluating the double integral without seeing all the detailed working.

A couple of hints which can help simplify the working:

- because of the symmetry, you can just find the flux through one quadrant of the square and multiply this by 4: the integration limits become simpler (from 0 to a/2);

- without loss of generality you can choose any value for length 'a' (I'll let you think about why!);

The working might then be simplified enough for you to spot any error(s) more easily.

By the way, using the same symbol ('a') for both length and area is not a good idea!
 
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