Electric/magnetic lines of force's fundamental property.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric and magnetic lines of force, particularly focusing on their interactions and properties in various scenarios involving charged particles. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical observations, and the conceptual understanding of these lines in the context of electromagnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that electric lines of force will repel each other if they originate from the same polarity of charge, while they will attract if from opposite charges.
  • Others challenge the notion of lines of force interacting, stating that fields do not interact with each other but rather with charged particles through the Lorentz force.
  • A participant suggests that the behavior of lines of force is merely a graphical representation and not a physical reality, emphasizing the principle of superposition in electromagnetic fields.
  • One participant claims to have conducted experiments showing that parallel lines of force repel each other, while opposite lines do not exhibit attraction, raising questions about the underlying reasons for this behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and comprehensibility of the arguments presented, with some participants expressing confusion over the terminology and concepts used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature and behavior of lines of force, with no consensus reached on their properties or interactions. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing interpretations and understandings of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of the discussion, noting that assumptions about the nature of lines of force and their interactions are not universally accepted. There is also a mention of the need for clearer definitions and explanations of the concepts being debated.

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Sources say if lines are parallel they will repel else try and merge which I don't agree and even see practically.

Suppose we have 2 opposite charges facing each other, the lines are parallel, they should repel.

Similarly if 2 equal charges are facing each other, the direction of the lines of forces will be opposite, yet they will repel.

Considering all scenarios...and thus analysing the behaviour of the lines of forces I came to the following conclusion -

Electrical lines of forces will repel each other if its origin is from the same polarity of charge, else they'll attract.
 
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Incomprehensible:

Sources say if lines are parallel they will repel else try and merge which I don't agree and even see practically.

parallel lines of what? two parallel pencil lines don't repel, no do one of electrons and another of protons. What theory are you trying to quote?

Suppose we have 2 opposite charges facing each other, the lines are parallel, they should repel.

Point charges have no effective parallel lines of force...infinite flate plates do...but attraction or repelling depends on charge potential not on parallel nor non parallel lines of force.
 
Fields do not interact with each other, but they will interact with charged particles via the Lorentz force and multiple sources and inhomogeneities will affect the field distributions but in a manner that satisfies superposition.

[tex]\mathbf{F} = q\left( \mathbf{E}+\mathbf{v}\times\mathbf{B} \right)[/tex]
 
That means I'm right...right?
 
No, like Naty1 stated, what you have said is more or less incomprehensible. There is no such thing as force lines, these are as imaginary as field lines. You seem to be implying that these force lines interact with each other which is not true. Fields do not interact with each other, except by combining via linear superposition, they interact with the sources. These interactions are dictated by the Lorentz force.
 
Oh...just as I was thinking...a field does not actually get disturbed by another field its that the other field has some influence on whatever charges lie on that piece of space.

Considering that 2 fields can exist at a point in space.

So am I right to conclude the properties of lines of forces?...though they are virtual, are their behaviours such?
 
Anyone to confirm this pls?
 
No one?
 
I don't know about the rest of the readers but I still have no idea what you're saying about lines of force...
 
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Thanks for the notification...that qualifies for a new and clearer way to reconstruct the problem.
 
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I don't know what you are saying about the lines of force, but it doesn't really matter much. The lines of force are not real in any sense, they are simply a graphical aid for plotting the field on a piece of paper and getting a rough understanding of the behavior of the system.

However, Maxwell's equations are linear, so they obey the principle of superposition. The field due to two sources is the sum of the field due to each individual source.
 
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Yeah, as I was saying here -

Oh...just as I was thinking...a field does not actually get disturbed by another field its that the other field has some influence on whatever charges lie on that piece of space.

Considering that 2 fields can exist at a point in space.

So am I right to conclude the properties of lines of forces?...though they are virtual, are their behaviours such?

Am I right?

So the lines of forces are the 'resultant'.

If the properties of the lines of forces are 100% clear, it can be reconstructed completely given few charges/MFs.

Anyway, I'll post a new question in a clearer form.
 
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As a researcher of magnetic behavior in electric machines and devices,i have built an experiment to test exactly this effect. Parallel / same direction "Lines" DO repel and parallel / opposite Lines merge or, as in the test,have zero effect. One would expect some attraction effect, but there is none. I have found nothing that explains exactly WHY this is true.
 

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