Electric Potential at point where Electric Field is Zero

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential at a point on the x-axis where the electric field is zero, involving a -10.1 nC point charge and a +18.9 nC point charge separated by 13.8 cm. Participants are also tasked with finding the magnitude of the electric field at points where the electric potential is zero.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equations for electric field and potential, questioning the setup of their equations and the interpretation of variables. There is confusion regarding the signs of the electric field contributions from the charges and the implications of negative distances.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted to solve the equations but are encountering negative values for distance, leading to questions about their mathematical approach and assumptions. Others suggest considering the possibility of negative coordinates and the direction of electric fields relative to the charges.

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Participants are working under a deadline and express urgency in resolving their misunderstandings. There is an emphasis on correctly interpreting the physical setup and the implications of the equations used.

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Homework Statement



a) A -10.1 nC point charge and a +18.9 nC point charge are 13.8 cm apart on the x-axis. What is the electric potential at the point on the x-axis where the electric field is zero?

b) What is the magnitude of the electric field at the two points on the x-axis where the electric potential is zero? (Input your answers in order of increasing distance from the negative point charge

Homework Equations



E = kq/r^2
V=kq/r

where k=9x10^9
r is the radius
q is the charge

The Attempt at a Solution



a) So below is the equation I used but I am getting a negative number for r...someone please help, this is due by this Friday at midnight!

[kq1/(r+d)^2] + [kq2/r^2] = 0
[9x10^9 (-10.1x10-9)/(r + 0.138m)^2] + [9x10^9(18.9x10-9)/r^2] = 0
[-90.9/(r + 0.138m)^2] + [170.1/r^2] = 0
-90.9/(r + 0.138m)^2 = -170.1/r^2
-90.9/-170.1 = (r + 0.138m)^2 / r^2
0.53439 = (r + 0.138m)^2 / r^2
SQRT(0.53439) = (r + 0.138m)/r
0.731202 = r+0.138/r
0.73102r = r+0.138
0.73102r - r = 0.138
-0.268979r = 0.138
r = 0.138/-0.268979
r = -0.51305m

A distance can not be negative, so either my math is wrong or my process of equating the two is wrong. Some help would be greatly appreciated! Then hopefully I will be able to solve part b :)
 
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Tina20 said:

Homework Statement



a) A -10.1 nC point charge and a +18.9 nC point charge are 13.8 cm apart on the x-axis. What is the electric potential at the point on the x-axis where the electric field is zero?

b) What is the magnitude of the electric field at the two points on the x-axis where the electric potential is zero? (Input your answers in order of increasing distance from the negative point charge

Homework Equations



E = kq/r^2
V=kq/r

where k=9x10^9
r is the radius
q is the charge

The Attempt at a Solution



a) So below is the equation I used but I am getting a negative number for r...someone please help, this is due by this Friday at midnight!
What time zone are you in?
[kq1/(r+d)^2] + [kq2/r^2] = 0
Okay, you do need to consider the possibility that the solution could be at a negative value of the x-coordinate. So r would really be x in this equation.

[9x10^9 (-10.1x10-9)/(r + 0.138m)^2] + [9x10^9(18.9x10-9)/r^2] = 0
Be careful with what is negative and what is positive. E=kq/r2 gives the magnitude of E. You have to use the rule that E points away from a positive charge and towards a negative charge, in order to figure out if the terms are positive or negative.

For example, to the right side of the positive charge, E (due to that charge) points to the right away from the charge, and is negative. But to the left of the positive charge, E (due to that charge) would point to the left to point away from the charge, and would be negative.

[-90.9/(r + 0.138m)^2] + [170.1/r^2] = 0
-90.9/(r + 0.138m)^2 = -170.1/r^2
-90.9/-170.1 = (r + 0.138m)^2 / r^2
0.53439 = (r + 0.138m)^2 / r^2
SQRT(0.53439) = (r + 0.138m)/r
0.731202 = r+0.138/r
0.73102r = r+0.138
0.73102r - r = 0.138
-0.268979r = 0.138
r = 0.138/-0.268979
r = -0.51305m

A distance can not be negative, so either my math is wrong or my process of equating the two is wrong. Some help would be greatly appreciated! Then hopefully I will be able to solve part b :)
 
The only other thing I'll point out is that the square root of something gives a +/- solution.
 
Ok, I am still not understanding what I am doing wrong and why my answer is not right. I have tried with positive and negative values of the square root and still the answer is incorrect. Can someone please help to show me where exactly I am going wrong?
 
Tina20 said:
Can someone please help to show me where exactly I am going wrong?
Okay.
Tina20 said:
a) So below is the equation I used but I am getting a negative number for r...someone please help, this is due by this Friday at midnight!

[kq1/(r+d)^2] + [kq2/r^2] = 0
For starters, you seem to think you are looking for "r", the distance from the positive charge. Here is the problem with that thinking: supposed you were to find that r=2 cm. Would that be 2 cm to the right, or 2 cm to the left, of the positive charge?

Instead, realize that we are looking for a point somewhere along the x-axis. So it's better to write the equation in terms of "x", the position along the x-axis, instead of "r".

[9x10^9 (-10.1x10-9)/(r + 0.138m)^2] + [9x10^9(18.9x10-9)/r^2] = 0
Here, you seem to think that E due to the negative charge must always point in the negative direction. And also that E due to the positive charge must point in the positive direction.

Neither of these are necessarily true.
 

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